Posted on 12/19/2019 9:15:42 PM PST by SeekAndFind
It’s hard to believe the Speaker’s latest stunt will go on for very long. I’ll confess: Last night, when I was first told that Speaker Nancy Pelosi was toying with the idea of not delivering the two articles of impeachment voted by the House against President Trump, I assumed it was a joke.
For these last weeks, the Democrat-dominated chamber has been in a mad rush to impeach the president. Democrats even tacked on article two — “obstruction of Congress” — because, they told us, time could not be wasted engaging in the usual negotiation and litigation over legislative demands for executive branch information. Trump is a clear and present threat to “continue” undermining our elections, we were admonished. That’s why he needs to be impeached right now. That’s why the political class cannot responsibly leave his fate up to the sovereign, the People, who will vote in November.
But now that the deed is done, it’s . . . hey, not so fast.
Pelosi and Democratic leadership have convinced themselves there may be advantage in delaying the formal, ministerial delivery of the impeachment articles — as if Mitch McConnell were in as much a hurry to receive them as Democrats were to conjure them up. The thought is that this latest strategic petulance might pressure Senator McConnell into promising a full-blown trial, including summoning as witnesses top aides of the president whom the House didn’t bother to summon because tangling over privilege issues would have slowed up the works.
So it’s not a joke, but I still have to laugh. When I was a prosecutor negotiating plea deals, I always found the most pathetic defense lawyers were the ones who acted like they were playing with the House money when, in stark reality, it was they who needed something from me. Now here’s Pelosi trying to play hard to get with McConnell who, I imagine, couldn’t care less how long Democrats want to dither.
What we’ve just seen is the most partisan impeachment in American history, every step of it politically calculated. Obviously, if Democrats perceived advantage in stretching the process out, it would still be going on. There would be more witnesses; more 300- or 600-page committee reports to try to add heft and gravity to vague allegations of inchoate misconduct; more speeches about Trump as a threat to democracy and life as we know it; etc., etc.
To the contrary, Pelosi & Co. want this train wreck in the rearview mirror ASAP. The public is indifferent and polls are edging in Trump’s favor. On our local news this morning, the third impeachment of a president of the United States in American history couldn’t crack the top stories — it came in behind cold weather (in December) and the rescue of an elderly man in a gym by a couple of off-duty cops.
No one, of course, has to explain this to McConnell. In public, at least, he’s not a laughing-his-head-off kinda guy, but if he were, he would be.
It’s hard to believe the Speaker’s latest stunt will go on for very long. In the Senate this morning, the Democrats’ minority leader, Senator Chuck Schumer, renewed his demands about trial procedures, discovery, and witness testimony. There was no discernible hint of doubt that the House would soon deliver its impeachment articles, such as they are.
But since we’ll be playing trivial pursuit for a more few hours (days?), we might as well ask: As long as the House withholds the impeachment articles from the Senate, has Trump been impeached?
In the law, there are many situations in which an outcome is known, but it is not a formal outcome until some ministerial act is taken. A grand jury can vote an indictment, for example, but the defendant is not considered indicted until the charges are filed with the clerk of the court. A defendant can be found guilty by a jury, but there is technically no conviction until the judgment is “entered” by the trial court, usually months later when sentence is imposed. An appellate court can issue a ruling that orders a lower court to take some action, but the lower court has no jurisdiction to act in the case until issuance of the appellate court’s “mandate” — the document that formally transfers jurisdiction.
Plainly, Congress has similar ministerial acts of transference that must occur in order for legislation to pass. Were that not the case, Speaker Pelosi would not be talking about delaying the transfer of impeachment articles.
So it’s all well and good for the Speaker to hold up the works that Democrats, five minutes ago, were breathlessly telling us had to be carried out with all due haste. But many scholars take the position that the Constitution requires a trial if there has been an impeachment. If such a trial cannot properly occur unless and until articles of impeachment have been transferred from the House to the Senate, and Speaker Pelosi won’t transfer them, has President Trump actually been impeached?
Sure, it’s a stupid question . . . but we’re living in stupid times.
the house passed two articles of impeachment regardless of what we think about it. He calls himself impeached. He’s impeached.
I am addresses one issue. My comments about the so-called hearings are all over the FR.
For people here to say he is not impeached makes us look like kooks.
*zot*
:)
Neither article contained any mention of a crime or misdemeanor. The Constitution specifies that impeachment can only take place for high crimes and misdemeanors.
The “articles” are political statements. If those can be passed off as “impeachment” then the entire meaning of impeachment has been changed. Rather than being a tool to remove someone who is dangerously violating his oath of office, it becomes merely a method to express a political opinion.
I think the Supremes could shut this down on Constitutional grounds, by ruling that by definition, an impeachment must be for a crime (as the Constitution specifies).
the supremes have no role here. The Chief will of the trial starts.
“Kooks”
LOL!
The Constitution makes no distinction between “impeachment” and the “delivery of impeachment” so neither will I.
They are one.
A president is impeached when the House tells the Senate he is. A bill is paid when the check is delivered, not when it’s written.
You kooks feel free to put whatever you like in the Constitution.
after what you just did, there’s no more room in the constitution.
One “can’t always get what” he wants out of the opnstitution, but we “get what we need”.
Yeah, hate to see Pelosi abusing it and the media loving her for it. But that’s nothing new.
But I'm thinking you left Free republic because other reasons
Yeah I’m a real idiot. Every now and then the owner purges. Be careful yourself. Another one is due
Can we agree the dems are playing games that is unconstitutional?
why do you ask such obvious questions. I came to these threads to stop the ridiculous notion that he hasn’t been impeached. That’s my only issue here.
I DON’T give a damn what you think of my motives. Go play games with someone else.
It was a simple question you could NOT answer. Which is an answer
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