Posted on 12/19/2019 12:07:49 AM PST by Cronos
How Boris handles the Cymru expectations will drive the direction of the independence movement -- I don't see any "noise" for Welsh independence in the next 5 odd years.
This writer really likes “devolved” for some obscure reason. Must a very involved and revolved subject.
Any coal left in Wales?
Next to none and the amount left is uneconomical to get out. Wales has little going for it economically unless it works on tourism, but even that is little.
Scottish “Independence” is a joke.
They have none of the basic welfare state structures that they would need to administer the social insurance state that those socialists would expect.
Collecting income taxes ? Nope. HM Customs and Excise collect that. Same with VAT. Same with Corporate taxes. Same with payroll taxes.
Socialized medicine ? Nope. Currently administered by the NHS.
Unemployment insurance ? Welfare ? Pensions ? Nope. Administerd by the UK government.
When Quebec had it’s first separation referendum in 1980, they already had all the welfare state institutions they would need already up and operating.
By comparison, Scotland “independence” pretensions are a joke - and that goes double for Wales.
Devolution is/was a big thing in the UK.
Until 1997 the UK was one of the most centralized states in the world - probably the most along with France. Whitehall would define even local council matters.
Tony Blair devolved i.e. gave the constituent nations of Scotland, Wales and Northern ireland more rights to govern themselves.
They still have less powers than US states, but better than before 1997
That’s true - they don’t have the structures to run themselves independently now.
In fact they have far less freedom than American states.
That’s why they want independence.
Wexit
There is no evidence that they do want independence. Most polls consistently show a majority for the union. They failed the last vote despite trying to gerrymander it by allowing gullible 16 year olds and foreign residents the right to vote. No British government is going to be that stupid a second time.
As for an illegal Catalonian style referendum, all Boris would have to do was tell unionists to boycott it. Thereby making every non vote a vote for the union. The nats will never be able to get 50% + of the electorate to vote for Indy.
Thanks to Boris and the Tories winning and pushing on with Brexit on January 31, 2020; thanks to that, the mood for independence is growing in Scotland
Do the Welsh think the EU cares one whit about the poverty in Wales?
Given that Wales receives about £254 million more annually from the EU than Welsh citizens contribute to EU funds (about £680 million p.a. gross), and has received £4 billion in EU ‘structural’ funding since 2000, apparently they do.
New EU funding to tackle in-work povertyIt's from the British welsh government site
Nearly £2 million of EU funding has been announced by the Welsh Government to tackle in-work poverty and some of the challenges faced by lower-skilled workers in south east Wales.
17 April 2019
The Skills@Work scheme, which will support around 1,400 people over the next 4 years, has been awarded £1.94 million EU funds and will be led by Newport City Council. Both employed and self-employed workers will be included in the programme, which will also benefit people in Cardiff and Monmouthshire.
The scheme will offer a range of community-based learning opportunities, including literacy, numeracy, ICT and other skills, focusing on helping learners gain qualifications from Credit and Qualifications Framework for Wales (CQFW) entry level 1 to level 2, improving their job security and earning potential. Over 1,000 people helped by the scheme are expected to gain a qualification.
The scheme will help people improve their prospects as well as promote entrepreneurship and self-employment to allow people to move out of in-work poverty and progress in the labour market.
Counsel General and Brexit Minister Jeremy Miles said:Sadly, around one in 10 people in work in the UK are in in-work poverty. Part-time jobs, low rates of hourly pay and a lack of career progression all take their toll. We’re determined to do all we can to address this, and I am confident collaborative efforts like this being led by Newport City Council, and made possible with EU funds, can help us achieve our ambitions.Alongside formal qualifications there will be help with wider work-relevant skills such as customer service, team working, communication and problem solving, and career progression skills such as CV writing, application forms and interview techniques. Personal barriers will also be addressed through support for confidence, motivation, self-esteem and to tackle work-specific barriers that may be restricting an individual’s employability.
In the last decade, EU-funded projects have created 47,000 new jobs and 13,000 new businesses across Wales, while also helping more than 85,000 people into employment.
Thanks, Cronos.
Does Wales have the ability in resources, education, and most of all cultural tradition to become anything more than a dependency of the EU state?
Ireland has worked to become a tech hub with twice the population of Wales. Can the Welsh achieve this likewise with a smaller population and less educational achievement?
I don’t know enough about Wales to give you a complete answer.
The EU technically doesn’t have any dependency states - not even Bulgaria. They won’t take a failed state.
Wales does have the ability in cultural tradition and education to be a full member of the British union or the European union.
But it does not want to leave England today - and if it ever does, that will be 5 + years in the future.
Wales can be like Ireland — Estonia is less than HALF the population of Wales (1.3 million to the Welsh 3 million) and punches above its weight ($26 billion) while Welsh GDP is $80 billion.
So Estonia’s GDP/capita is $20K and Wales’ is $26K
England’s GDP per capita is much higher at $41K
Ha Ha Ha Ha. The chance of this happening are about the same as Labour’s and the Lib Dem’s chances in the last election
They lost the argument last time on economic grounds. Once brexit happens, the economic argument is exponentially weaker. Unlike the UK with the EU, Scoyland is a net recipient of uk spending, and Scottish independence only made sense at all on the basis of Englanf being in the same single market and customs union, and being outside schengen. The EU doesn’t accept new members who wont agree to join Schengen. Basically, independence would now be a much more radical and uncertain prospect than Scottish voters are likely to tolerate, given that they rejected it last time.
In any case, its irrelevant. Boris is telling Sturgeon to get stuffed on the grounds that she already had her “once in a generation” vote. She can come back in 20 years, although by then she will probably have long ago resigned in disgrace following the revelations to come with her predecessors rape trial and what she knew and covered up.
They lost it on economic grounds. Yet as the Brexit debate shows, that’s not the only place to win.
Scotland being a net recipient is not completely true - it is now, but wasn’t earlier and the amounts are far less
Scotland’s total public sector revenue was just under £54 billion in 2015/16. That’s around 8% of the total revenue in the UK.
In the same year the total public expenditure in Scotland was £69 billion. That’s around 9% of all public spending in the UK that year, so a greater proportion than the population.
So it looks like the UK “gives” £15 billion to Scotland - but that number includes the amounts spent on the Trident program which would then move south and on country-wide projects like the high speed rail program.
Overall it looks like the UK may “give” Scotland either about the same as it “gets” from Scotland or up to around £5 billion per year — that’s about $6 billion per year. however the question is how much is defense and country-wide related and how much isn’t? And it would be difficult to separate that out
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