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Whereas Trump’s rise in the Republican Party was due to his cult of personality and braggadocious attitude.

<face palm>

Yeah, keep telling yourself that was the reason Trump won.

12 posted on 11/24/2019 8:06:06 PM PST by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: Sicon
" 'Whereas Trump’s rise in the Republican Party was due to his cult of personality and braggadocious attitude.' Yeah, keep telling yourself that was the reason Trump won." No kidding, and from someone supposedly on our side. That hit me right out too. I'll guess that I'll read the rest later. Some history, for those who may not know. Before Trump announced, the already-announced Republican candidates were rounded told in no uncertain terms that Immigration was a 'divisive' issue by RNC and any Republican who sounds serious about the issue will NOT get any RNC support...NONE. Since none of the announced candidates could finance their own campaigns, that meant they all had to fall in line with the RNC, which they did. And don't get me wrong, most of them weren't about get serious about immigration, but for those who may have considered it, that idea was locked out. So, it set the stage for the 2016 election. Sure, the candidates would say that we need secure borders, and they promised to 'secure the border'. But they knew to not talk about walls, deportation, or even fences, so they did not. The MOST IMPORTANT issue to Republican voters was simply taken off the table - despite the trains heading north in Mexico that we saw in 2014 and 2015, it was like we simply imagined it all. ...leaving a HUGE OPENING for Trump. Most of us, I suspect, didn't think much of Trump until that first speech (I was one of them), and many of us were still suspicious of him through the campaign (I was not of them, since I knew what Skunk Cabbage was going to do to the country), but at least he SPOKE to us. And people may forget that it was more than Trump that we were reacting to, it virtually the ENTIRE GOP field that attacked Trump for wanting to be serious about securing the border and deporting, at the least the bad ones. We saw that too. All someone needed to say, to be competitive against Trump was something like: "Sure, Trump talks in exaggerated ways, but we do have a very serious problem on the border, and it will require doing some work down there to secure it as it is porous, and we do need to at least deal with deporting criminal aliens". That's all, just state the OBVIOUS. But we NEVER heard that from any of the others - they simply attacked Trump and went on talking about farm subsidies or some crap like that. It really isn't hard to figure out, if you simply speak to a Deplorable or two.
30 posted on 11/25/2019 4:44:57 AM PST by BobL (I drive a pickup truck to work because it makes me feel like a man.)
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To: Sicon

” ‘Whereas Trump’s rise in the Republican Party was due to his cult of personality and braggadocious attitude.’
(face palm)
Yeah, keep telling yourself that was the reason Trump won.”

No kidding, and from someone supposedly on our side. That hit me right out too. I’ll guess that I’ll read the rest later.

Some history, for those who may not know. Before Trump announced, the already-announced Republican candidates were rounded told in no uncertain terms that Immigration was a ‘divisive’ issue by RNC and any Republican who sounds serious about the issue will NOT get any RNC support...NONE.

Since none of the announced candidates could finance their own campaigns, that meant they all had to fall in line with the RNC, which they did. And don’t get me wrong, most of them weren’t about get serious about immigration, but for those who may have considered it, that idea was locked out.

So, it set the stage for the 2016 election. Sure, the candidates would say that we need secure borders, and they promised to ‘secure the border’. But they knew to not talk about walls, deportation, or even fences, so they did not. The MOST IMPORTANT issue to Republican voters was simply taken off the table - despite the trains heading north in Mexico that we saw in 2014 and 2015, it was like we simply imagined it all.

...leaving a HUGE OPENING for Trump. Most of us, I suspect, didn’t think much of Trump until that first speech (I was one of them), and many of us were still suspicious of him through the campaign (I was not of them, since I knew what Skunk Cabbage was going to do to the country), but at least he SPOKE to us.

And people may forget that it was more than Trump that we were reacting to, it virtually the ENTIRE GOP field that attacked Trump for wanting to be serious about securing the border and deporting, at the least the bad ones. We saw that too. All someone needed to say, to be competitive against Trump was something like: “Sure, Trump talks in exaggerated ways, but we do have a very serious problem on the border, and it will require doing some work down there to secure it as it is porous, and we do need to at least deal with deporting criminal aliens”. That’s all, just state the OBVIOUS.

But we NEVER heard that from any of the others - they simply attacked Trump and went on talking about farm subsidies or some crap like that.

It really isn’t hard to figure out, if you simply speak to a Deplorable or two.

(it was your ‘face palm’ that crashed the formatting for me in Post 30)


33 posted on 11/25/2019 5:04:20 AM PST by BobL (I drive a pickup truck to work because it makes me feel like a man.)
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