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Editorial: H-1B visas a boon [BS!] to aging U.S. work force. Someone tell Trump.
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | NOV. 19, 2019

Posted on 11/20/2019 7:54:05 AM PST by NobleFree

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To: NobleFree

Ha. Isn’t being 35 years old “aging” according to the tech companies?

Another propaganda piece masquerading as “news”.


41 posted on 11/20/2019 8:51:53 AM PST by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: Ingtar

Wages in the tech sector are about the same they were 20 year ago - NOT adjusted for inflation! If there were a true labor shortage wages would be up 100% over 20 years.


42 posted on 11/20/2019 8:51:58 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Modern Profanity

Programs like H-1B make life miserable for white people and suppress the urge to reproduce. Everything is related to each other.


43 posted on 11/20/2019 8:54:20 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Wow. Seems dishonest. Seems like they are exploiting the generosity of the visa system. Captain obvious?

If someone else is paying, in this case the US taxpayer, then the rule and goal should always be training for a job instead of being a perpetual student.

I wonder how applying for citizenship might affect their status. Since obtaining US citizenship (can be dual citizenship) can take years, the freshman college student can apply early and maybe by the time they graduate with their undergrad, they are a legal US citizen. That way, at least they are making a good faith effort to do the right thing and are allowed to stay in the US (if that is their goal of course).


44 posted on 11/20/2019 8:55:08 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: Buckeye McFrog
For the most part working at inner-city hospitals and schools in places like Baltimore where Americans are now afraid to work at the wages being offered.

Fixed it for you.

45 posted on 11/20/2019 8:55:49 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Frankly even the H1B teachers are terrified at inner-city Baltimore high schools filled with feral yutes. Working as a wolverine trainer is likely safer.


46 posted on 11/20/2019 9:00:09 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: NobleFree

When I started my career several of the big companies in that field ran full time, paid, training to prepare new-hires to do the job. Over the years, those programs dried up and the companies began to rely heavily on H1Bs.

Most of the H1Bs I worked with were good folks, I have no issue there. But I could never have had the career I had, except for the fact that the demand for help was such that they were willing to train me and give me a shot. Companies don’t like to train, because they have no assurance you won’t quit and go to their competitor, which is understandable. An H1B is tied to them and can’t jump.

I look at kids getting out of school and see how they struggle to find work with a future. Its tough, because so much work is offshored, and because the work that remains here, you compete with guys recruited from overseas. I managed, because I got my start while companies were still training. A kid in my same position now would never be hired.


47 posted on 11/20/2019 9:00:32 AM PST by marron
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To: dhs12345
I wonder how applying for citizenship might affect their status.

This is where Trump is absolutely correct when he says our immigration laws are STOOOOOPID and need to be rewritten.

We handle applications to become a LEGAL green card holder or citizen by country of origin. Some countries are "oversubscribed" because there are so many people from there who want to apply. Specifically those are India, China and Mexico. If you are Indian, have a decent education, really want to become an American and apply to do so legally, you are off on an 8 to 10 year trip through Bureaucrat Hell.

Conversely any random bloke walking down the street in Yemen can toss his name into a hat at our embassy and potentially win an instant green card. It's insane, carries extreme risks, and punishes the very people who are trying to obey the law.


48 posted on 11/20/2019 9:05:22 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: NobleFree; All
Most doctors are conservative and loath unions but don't let this H-1B usurpation happen to your profession like it did to us shlubbs in IT. FORM A DOCTORS UNION NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!!. You need a political presence on K Street to lobby for protection. Do in Now!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nurse need a union also.

49 posted on 11/20/2019 9:07:29 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“...punishes the very people who are trying to obey the law.”

Classic bureaucratic BS.

Why not add a qualifier to a person application that if they are educated and can speak English, they get preference. The idea being that they are more likely to assimilate and contribute instead of being a burden.

You could still allow people from undeveloped countries into the country but they must learn English first and some basic skills and still go through the process; no shortcuts.

It is not unfair to be selective. We do this all of the time when resources are limited.


51 posted on 11/20/2019 9:17:17 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

Trump is proposing a points system similar to what Australia uses. You get points for various things. Education, job skills, age (the younger/more years you’ll be paying taxes the better), etc. Must score above a certain level to be approved. Frankly it’s a lot better than what we are doing now.

Of course Democrats will object because it does not meet their goal of flooding the zone with new Democrat voters.


52 posted on 11/20/2019 9:19:50 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I used to get calls all the time from Indian contract houses wanting to pay me a 40h pay cut over what I was already being paid.
This was done so they could “justify” an H1b employee.
Thanks to Trump and his economy, I don’t get those calls anymore.

Demand for 7-14nm HW design people is unbelievable!


53 posted on 11/20/2019 9:24:04 AM PST by Zathras
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To: Buckeye McFrog
“Democrats will object because it does not meet their goal of flooding the zone with new Democrat voters.”

There is always that. But we already know that those Democrats don't care about America and Americans... who have to deal with the flooding of their communities with non-English speaking foreigners. Foreigners who have no loyalty to the country that rescued them from certain suffering and death and refuse to assimilate.

I shouldn't generalize. There might be some good people in the bunch. But looking at the glass is half full with the bureaucratic US immigration system — it is a huge hassle and costly to become a US citizen and this might be a good thing. This helps ensure that the person is committed and willing and determined which shows good character if they survive the gauntlet.

56 posted on 11/20/2019 9:39:33 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: malach
Then they should be encouraged to return home instead of lingering on or overstaying their VISAs.
57 posted on 11/20/2019 9:42:50 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: ml/nj

Yeah, true. Gonna take two or three imports to do what one grey does now.

This country’s gonna have some serious issues when the last OK Boomers finally retire for good, and all that knowledge, real-world experience and skills are gone. There’s a whole lot of them quietly keeping things humming along today.

America’s shop classes, trades schools and apprenticeships have dwindled, with educators instead pushing kids for decades into college for science, business, law, social studies.


58 posted on 11/20/2019 9:45:20 AM PST by polymuser (It's discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and ho few by deceit. Noel Coward)
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To: Mr. Rabbit
That's a lie; the truth is they actively avoid U.S. workers in favor of cheap indentured foreign labor.

If You-Tube hasn't taken them down, you can find actual seminar videos of "HOW NOT TO HIRE AMERICANS" which were presented to IT employers here in the Pittsburgh area. An American who graduated from Carnegie Mellon University here (one of the top IT programs in the nation) and couldn't get a viable job offer in the area actually attended one of these seminars and took the video to prove it.

The local employers were so embarrassed by it that some of them actually hired a few token Americans to address the issue. I kid you not!

59 posted on 11/20/2019 10:17:00 AM PST by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: NobleFree

Depending on the source, 30-40% of STEM workers are not working in STEM. And not all of those moved into management.

H1B visa holders pull down IT and engineering wages, making it less attractive to work hard to get a difficult degree. They’re also used to screw over mid-career engineering and IT experts, replacing them along with college grads who don’t have objections to working long hours.

There is no shortage of STEM workers, either. We know that because wages in that group aren’t going up the way nursing and NP salaries are.


60 posted on 11/20/2019 10:19:50 AM PST by tbw2
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