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New Mexico’s free-college plan could be a game-changer for student debt in America (Math is hard)
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Posted on 09/19/2019 5:27:37 AM PDT by qwerty1234

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To: qwerty1234

Wouldn’t this violate Sec 505 of the IIRIRA...?

Section 505 of IIRIRA mandates that unauthorized immigrants “shall not be eligible on the basis of residence within a State for any postsecondary education benefit unless a citizen or national of the United States is eligible for such a benefit without regard to whether the citizen or national is such a resident.”


21 posted on 09/19/2019 5:47:42 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds)
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To: jonose
Don’t know why these schools aren’t run entirely by students, except for professors who actually teach classes. Students would receive real world experiences working up from cafeteria workers to administrators.

I think there is a Christian college someplace in Missouri that operates this way.


22 posted on 09/19/2019 5:48:13 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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To: VTenigma

It is a game changer. Because the game is changing.

To Socialism.

Some bad ideas are unstoppable. This one is going to sweep the country I’m afraid.

Driven partly by hard feelings of indebted grads who are sitting in cubes next to H1B holders who got their educations for free in their home countries.


23 posted on 09/19/2019 5:50:02 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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To: qwerty1234
MLG is trying to destroy the oil and gas industry in the state as it is. Why would anyone believe what she is saying that oil and gas would provide the funding?

Instead of improving the roads or the homeless situation, or the DWI problems in the state, MLG wants more giveaways.

24 posted on 09/19/2019 5:50:31 AM PDT by Wizdum (The Dems are not afraid a wall won't work, the Dems are TERRIFIED a wall WILL work.)
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To: mewzilla

Given the amount NM is already spending on education and Medicaid, depending on how much this program costs, I don’t think NM can afford it...


25 posted on 09/19/2019 5:51:03 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds)
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To: qwerty1234

The math is off here, but this is exactly the way our government was designed. Each state gets to decide how they deal with public education.

The idea that the feds should have a monolithic “free” education system is a stupid political talking point designed for the young and stupid.

In GA we have programs that encourage higher grades in HS. The higher your GPA, the more tuition is covered by the state. I love the merit based approach.


26 posted on 09/19/2019 5:54:38 AM PDT by laxcoach (Government is greedy. Taxpayers who want their own money are not greedy.)
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To: qwerty1234
This is actually very similar to to the was college used to be in some states and it worked great because of high academic standards and a sincere desired goal to actually provide a first class education to those eager and able to learn

Just about any state resident could get admitted into university regardless of high school grades as a provisional admit and then win full admission into whatever program they enrolled for by keeping their grades up above 3.0 average

Tuition was like $200 per semester which still allowed a student to work their way through school without loans

Good students were retained and the bad students and the screw offs were weeded out

After decades of affirmative action, lowered standards and a desire on the part of faculty to indoctrinate acolytes instead of educating scholars the system no longer works because the bad students and screw ups get promoted in the system and the good students are marginalized for not getting with the Leftist Progressive PC agenda by the new power structure that wants use the University as conveyor belts to forward its Marxist agenda

27 posted on 09/19/2019 6:00:05 AM PDT by rdcbn ( Referentia)
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To: qwerty1234

A while back, probably on Fox, I saw a segment on College of the Ozarks. They seem to have a sensible approach to debt and education.The following statement is from the homepage of their website. -

“C of O is unique among higher education institutions in America: no tuition is charged, all students work on campus, debt is openly discouraged, and no federal, state or private loans are made.” -Jeff C. Davis, President

https://www.cofo.edu


28 posted on 09/19/2019 6:00:21 AM PDT by This I Wonder32460 (Stay Calm & MAGA On!)
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To: jonose

Wether everybody here in NM gets a college degree or not—makes no difference.

There’s nothing here.

Nobody with a a college education, in their right mind, would want to stay here.

It’s a fricking DESERT!!

THERE’S NOTHING HERE EXCEPT DEMOCRAT BLIND AMBITION TO RULE AN EMPTY, GOVERNMENT-LARGESSE-SUCKING DESERT KINGDOM.
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29 posted on 09/19/2019 6:01:37 AM PDT by RArtfulogerDodger (peace, Love, and Joy To All, Especially Obama and Democrats)
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To: qwerty1234

“The program doesn’t cover students’ living expenses.”

Which will suddenly, and for very good reasons you see, become mandatory and very expensive.


30 posted on 09/19/2019 6:02:05 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: ProudVet97

I agree. Who is paying for all of this “free stuff”?


31 posted on 09/19/2019 6:02:49 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: jonose

“Don’t know why these schools aren’t run entirely by students, except for professors who actually teach classes. Students would receive real world experiences working up from cafeteria workers to administrators.”

Agreed.

Kind of like the original purpose behind Land Grant Colleges.


32 posted on 09/19/2019 6:03:27 AM PDT by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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To: RArtfulogerDodger

I like dry desert climates.


33 posted on 09/19/2019 6:04:58 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: cyclotic

Sounds good replacing ______ studies with _______ engineering, but more than half of all American STEM graduates cannot find work as companies prefer and only will hire Indian H1Bs, OPTs and H4EADs for jobs.

Kick all the Indian visa shit out of the USA, then Americans will have a shot at jobs.

Indian workers are like Chinese manufacturing. Ruining the American middle-class


34 posted on 09/19/2019 6:06:08 AM PDT by Starcitizen (American. No hypenation necessary. Send the H1B and H4EAD slime home. American jobs for Americans)
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To: qwerty1234
Unintended consequence: the further deterioration of academic standards. Colleges will become cesspools of "students" who don't want real jobs. There will be a percentage who hang around, dealing drugs, prostitution, other illegal things, until they flunk out.

Add to that, it will be really hard to refuse anyone admission when it's a free entitlement.

One thing I learned from my SAT prep and tutoring experiences: if it's free, students don't work as hard and their parents don't force them to.

35 posted on 09/19/2019 6:06:39 AM PDT by grania ("We're all just pawns in their game")
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What happens to the money if Democrats win and stop fracking? There won't be any oil money going into the general fund to pay for this. I find it funny that rats want to use revenue from the oil and gas they want to outlaw.
36 posted on 09/19/2019 6:08:40 AM PDT by Rdct29
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To: qwerty1234

The Rats have almost a stranglehold on New Mexico. Water. Water is New Mexico’s problem and always has been, always will be. Currently the population of New Mexico is probably extracting ground water at a rate faster than it’s being replenished. IOW, New Mexico can’t sustain the population it has NOW. They have something like a $Billion surplus from petroleum taxes. So FREE COLLEGE is a predictable libtard dream. If it does start to attract people they will have to SHUT IT DOWN because they can’t handle the stress on their water supply now.


37 posted on 09/19/2019 6:09:18 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: irv

I was a professor part time for 5 years.
1/4 of all students just wouldn’t do the work. They’d show up, take tests, participate, ... but didn’t do the actual core assignments.
You can’t learn to write software if you, ya know, don’t write software.

1/3 of all students (aforementioned included) failed.

Another 1/3 passed, but I figure had no prospects in the industry.

Final 1/3 could make a job of it.
Of those, maybe 6 excelled. (Go play Killing Floor 2 to support one of them.)


38 posted on 09/19/2019 6:10:07 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: Durbin

UNM Anthropolgy is probably world class. I would imagine Petroleum Engineering is pretty good, as well.


39 posted on 09/19/2019 6:10:35 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Starcitizen
Kick all the Indian visa shit out of the USA, then Americans will have a shot at jobs.


40 posted on 09/19/2019 6:10:45 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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