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To: romanesq

What strawman exactly? And if you are keep clinging to unratified guarantees there were guarantees to Russia that NATO won’t move further than East Germany.


52 posted on 09/15/2019 11:42:25 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking
guarantees to Russia that NATO won’t move further than East Germany.

"Western leaders never pledged not to enlarge NATO, a point that several analysts have demonstrated. Mark Kramer explored the question in detail in a 2009 article in The Washington Quarterly. He drew on declassified American, German and Soviet records to make his case and noted that, in discussions on German reunification in the two-plus-four format (the two Germanys plus the United States, Soviet Union, Britain and France), the Soviets never raised the question of NATO enlargement other than how it might apply in the former German Democratic Republic" (GDR).

" Gorbachev replied: “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years."

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2014/11/06/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/

57 posted on 09/15/2019 3:31:17 PM PDT by tlozo
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To: NorseViking

All your speaking for me is a strawman. Ukraine made a deal to surrender nukes.
They kept their end of the deal.


58 posted on 09/15/2019 4:12:02 PM PDT by romanesq (8Chan and its child porn, violence and murders are kaput. So is the QAnon grift with it.)
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