You guys are making a strawman. Once again I am all for an independent Ukraine. The argument was about Ukrainian nuclear status which is a pure insanity.
Now you’re backtracking. In post #13, you argued that Ukrainians didn’t hate the Russians, and that any such suggestion was a dated opinion. You even provided anecdotal evidence. My suggestion that you read a recent book was posted to indicate that there was evidence to the contrary. And now you’re for Ukrainian independence? Choose a side, mate!
Ukraine kept to an agreement giving up nuclear arms for security guarantees.
Now they’ve suffered thousands of dead and have no security.
Thankfully, at least President Trump has provided lethal aid in its self-defense.