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To: NorseViking

> The problem with these dimwits is they only remember half of Monroe’s Doctrine and made it obsolete overall by their own actions. <

You are so right! The Monroe Doctrine has two parts. One part warned the Old World not to interfere in the Americas. And in turn the United States promised not to interfere in the Old World. Our bases pretty much everywhere nullifies the whole thing.

I’m not saying that US bases everywhere is necessarily a bad idea. But someone who believes in a US presence everywhere shouldn’t go whining about any Monroe Doctrine violation.


36 posted on 09/13/2019 8:56:37 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Leaning Right

The difference with the Cuban Missile Crisis is there were serious men in charge of the situation on both sides.
Now there are jingoistic hawkish former dope smoking hippies.


39 posted on 09/13/2019 9:07:27 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: Leaning Right
The Monroe Doctrine has two parts. One part warned the Old World not to interfere in the Americas. And in turn the United States promised not to interfere in the Old World. Our bases pretty much everywhere nullifies the whole thing. I’m not saying that US bases everywhere is necessarily a bad idea. But someone who believes in a US presence everywhere shouldn’t go whining about any Monroe Doctrine violation.

It seems to me that "US bases everywhere" was a result of WWII and Europe's inability to defend itself. It wasn't a violation of the Monroe Doctrine to come to the rescue of Europe or lose it to Nazism. The same for AsiaPac and Imperial Japan.

Setting that aside, there is the real issue of EuroAsia incursion into the Caribbean via Russian support of Cuba as proxy into Venezuela. This is what the Monroe Doctrine was supposed to guard against, right?

American hegemony over the North an South America, NATO hegemony over Western Europe, and Soviet hegemony over Asia?

Liberals like Clinton, Kerry, and Obama have blurred the lines in the sand over the past few decades, and we've seen the rise of China, the fall of Egypt, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Iraq, the rise of terrorism in Europe, the loss of national identity across the EU, and now Russian incursion into Cuba and Venezuela.

So, I don't fault Bolton for raising a concern. Hopefully, President Trump has a vision, if not a coherent plan, for how to deal with this. Maybe he's thinking that time is on his side, that he has other more pressing needs at the moment (like the border, the Democrat coup, righting the court, 2020...).

Let's hope that's the case, that the President can stall incursion into Venezuela long enough to get some stability at the border, to flush out the Democrats, to get China to play nice for awhile, to win in 2020, and then take on the Venezuela Problem.

Anyway... that's my top-of-mind though on this.

-PJ

48 posted on 09/13/2019 9:48:15 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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