Posted on 07/28/2019 6:02:04 AM PDT by Kaslin
A world expert on hemoglobin did tests on the Shroud material (multiple tests, multiple techniques) and found breakdown materials from hemoglobin (the tests were not such that they required fresh blood to be valid).
Further study shows that the blood was of type AB, which is the same type as found on another ancient artifact, the Sudarium of Oviedo, which was first mentioned in AD 570.
Incidentally, to answer your question, the Sudarium is celebrated as the cloth wrapped around the face & head of Jesus post-mortem.
And, to answer an unasked question, yeah the burial cloths from a man crucified and with a spear shoved into his heart, just might have some bloodstains on them.
There's something in the Bible about "proclaiming His death until He comes again."
Use it as an aid to meditating on the Passion & Crucifixion.
Romans 14:1 and 14:4 --
"Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand."
Would that be an admission that without the Shroud, and the relics such as the splinters from the Cross, and the bones of the apostles and other physical evidence you would have no compunction to believe that Jesus existed???
Careful with that one. Jesus Himself said to the woman it was her faith that saved her.
Secondly, what about Peter, where even garments that had touched his body were placed on the sick, and they recovered?
God is not too proud to use many different vehicles to bless us.
For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.
Hope all is well, sirrah.
Wounds my heart with a pointed spear.
COFFEE meeets KEYBOARD!
...well, OK, it *would* have, if it weren't already nearly 11 at night.
Ummm, yeah.
That's why He told Doubting Thomas to put his hands in His side.
What composition of cloth, what frequency spectrum, at what intensity, for how long?
Are you starting that crap again?
Repeating misunderstandings of Catholic doctrine as explained by the Rev. Bud Albumin (head of the second fastest growing evangelical organization in South Central Kentucky) {*}, while not even being *aware* of the work that went on to codify the faith, eliminate heresies, and choose the Canon -- still less aware of how the historical faith through (say) 1800 years differs from what is taught in Evangelical outreach (as though the Evangelicals are the final, sole, and true source of Christian doctrine, even though they are Johnny-come-latelies)...
yeah that'll provoke a response.
But Christ calls us to unity. When one reads not the most popular, but the most devout / Holy Spirit led Protestants, it is astounding how much their writings sound like the meditations of the Great Saints of the Catholic Church. {*} hat tip to Dave Barry; paraphrased from memory
I’ve done my study, yes. It’s fascinating, yes. And I really enjoy reading both the Reformers and the ancient church fathers and seeing how similar they are to each other.
The frustration that most FR Protestants tend to feel is being told that when first expressing these thoughts on the board, we’re often told that we’re either A: inferior B: heretics, or C: not Christian at all, and so our natural stance tends to be in reaction to that.
How about you post some scripture backing up your claim...
The Church, by order of fact and by the profession of Scripture itself, is more important than the book you hold in your hands,
How so??? Without the scripture we wouldn't know any thing about the church...Scripture is the cause of the church...
for what use is it unless it be taught and explained to you, as we saw with Philip and the eunuch in Acts?
After the Eunuch left Philip he went back to his own Country...Who taught him then???
The Church preceded the Bible (and this is a simple fact of history)
True, but the church did not precede scripture...
As to address the topic of the thread itself!
I’d love to have that kind of evidence that Jesus existed if for no other reason than to laugh in the face of obnoxious atheists who love waving around their claims that Christ never actually existed.
I think that it’s unwise to base our faith on whether or not a particular bit of cloth is genuine, however. Not that I think many on this thread believe solely because of the shroud, but if it’s ever proven to be not genuine, what damage will it cause to those who are weaker in faith?
Well, when the first reaction that people see from a Catholic on these threads is you calling people bigots, it’s small wonder that they become all the more entrenched in emnity to Roman Catholicism.
And who were the physical signs for???
1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
Christians do not require a sign nor do we rely on man's wisdom (human philosophy)...
Unfortunately, there are quite a few of them here.
And they might not...Jesus' blood was drained...His body was cleaned according to Jewish custom and a hundred pounds of salve was smeared all over his body before any burial clothes came near him...
What a beautiful story.
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