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To: so_real

You’re constructing a theoretical fiction in order to make what is in reality a messy situation “simple”. At the “moment” of my wife taking her oath, the reality was (and is) that Canada still recognized (and recognizes) her as a citizen. The intent of the NBC clause has to be to eliminate the possibility of a foreign allegiance that existed in fact as of the person’s birth. Otherwise, why use the words, “natural born”? If the interpretation is simply that dual citizens cannot run for President, then that would be far better achieved by just saying exactly that: at the time of a person’s entering office, they must renounce any other citizenship. There are plenty of ways to acquire dual citizenship other than via birth. I wouldn’t in fact be surprised if we actually face that question at some point down the road, as plenty of American Jews for example have been acquiring Israeli citizenship, without giving up their American citizenship. Would an American born in the United States to two U.S. citizens who had at some point in their life acquired Israeli citizenship be eligible for the Presidency? I don’t think the NBC clause as currently understood would prevent it.


216 posted on 07/18/2019 9:28:31 AM PDT by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

You’re constructing a theoretical fiction in order to make what is in reality a messy situation “simple”.

Horsepucky. The author of the 14th Amendment stated as fact "every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen." He wasn't wrong and none disputed him. I don't know why you'd want to believe him a liar. Nothing short of a Constitutional Amendment can change our Constitution. For some reason you want to believe your son is not a natural born citizen. Okay, that's your choice, and you should live as you believe.

Canada still recognized (and recognizes) her as a citizen

We, the United States of America, don't care what Canada recognizes. How many times have I said that. They have no more legislative authority inside our borders than we have inside theirs. Your wife swore an oath to the United States and renounced her citizenship in Canada. But for some reason you want to believe she never for a moment possessed a pure allegiance to the United States, even though she raised her hand and swore to that very thing. Okay, that's your choice, and again you should live as you believe.

Would an American born in the United States to two U.S. citizens who had at some point in their life acquired Israeli citizenship be eligible for the Presidency?

Simple question, simple answer : Was the child within the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of his birth with parents having a pure allegiance to the United States? If yes, then he was born a natural born citizen and his parents' actions thereafter arguably cannot take that distinction away from him. Though he might have to deal with their shortsightedness when he comes of age if they do later exercise dual citizenship. It's so simple, that it's elegant. Our Founding generations were clearly more wise than we are today.


217 posted on 07/18/2019 10:51:38 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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