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House will vote ‘soon’ to hold Barr, Ross in criminal contempt over citizenship question
RollCall ^ | July 8, 2019

Posted on 07/08/2019 5:52:33 PM PDT by SMGFan

Pelosi announces plans for full House vote in dear colleague letter, also outlining legislative steps to protect migrants

The House will “soon” vote to hold Attorney General William Barr and Commerce Secretary William Ross in contempt of Congress for defying subpoenas for documents explaining the administration’s rationale for wanting to add a citizenship question to the census, Speaker Nancy Pelosi wrote in a “Dear Colleague” letter on Monday.

The Oversight and Reform Committee last month approved a contempt resolution against Barr and Ross that included language to refer the matter to the U.S. attorney in Washington for possible criminal charges, as well as authorize the pursuit of a lawsuit.

The Justice and Commerce departments have provided the Oversight Committee with some documents on the citizenship question while withholding others over claims of executive privilege.

The House, in a floor vote the day before the Oversight contempt markup, already gave all committees the authority to file lawsuits to enforce their subpoenas.

That means a floor vote is not needed for Democrats to try to get a court order forcing Barr and Ross to hand over the outstanding documents they requested.

(Excerpt) Read more at rollcall.com ...


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To: SMGFan

As Barr has said in response to these threats in the past: “Did you bring handcuffs?”


41 posted on 07/08/2019 7:50:49 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: SMGFan

What number of contempt charges are they up to now with Attorney General Barr?


42 posted on 07/08/2019 8:19:45 PM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
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To: Repeal The 17th
It says...”counting the whole number of persons in each State”.

You can't just stop reading at the first comma. That's what the liberals do.

If you keep reading, the fuller context of the section becomes clear that it's for the purpose of ensuring that the right to vote is not infringed. The section lays out the penalty to the states for infringing on their citizens' right to vote by proportionally reducing their representation by the percentage of infringed voters to the total eligible voters. You can't assess that without counting voters, that is, citizens.

Furthermore, let's say that the argument becomes that blacks vote in such high numbers today that any disenfranchised black voters would be such a small number relative to the whole to be essentially meaningless, making the counting of citizens for this purpose essentially meaningless.

The rebuttal to this would be several:

  1. Even though the 14th amendment was intended to be about citizenship of former slaves, it's been expanded to include anyone, including anchor babies, when it serves the left. To narrow it back to just black disenfranchisement for the original purpose of counting citizens would be hypocritical.
  2. It's in the Constitution and can't be waived away because some people don't like it. It makes clear that Representatives were meant to be apportioned based on citizen voters, not just "whole number of persons."
  3. When reading the word "persons" and "people" in the Constitution, I take that to refer to "We the People" in the Preamble who ordained and established this Constitution. "Whole number of persons" meant "whole number of We the People," but was more economical writing. When the 10th amendment says "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people," I can't believe that they meant for those "people" to include illegal aliens as "persons." They meant "We the People" who ordained and established this Constitution, and OUR posterity.
  4. Even though this section was about punishing states for not allowing freed blacks to vote, the section also says "when the right to vote at any election is... in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime..." Allowing non-citizens to vote abridges the vote of legal voting citizens via nullification. This section would justify reducing the Representation in states turning a blind eye toward illegal citizen voting by the ratio of illegal voters to total legal voters. That would be devastating if it were enumerated.

-PJ

43 posted on 07/08/2019 8:20:58 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: SMGFan

"We want in to vote Democrat! Count us as we destroy you!"

44 posted on 07/08/2019 8:24:58 PM PDT by Bommer (Help 2ndDivisionVet - https://www.gofundme.com/mvc.php?route=category&term=married-recent-ampute)
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To: justa-hairyape

rhetorical....18 electoral votes lost to dems


45 posted on 07/08/2019 9:24:07 PM PDT by chiller (As Davey Crockett once said: Be sure you're right. Then go ahead. I'm goin' ahead.)
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To: chiller

Did Obana follow the law ? Maybe the removal was illegally done.


46 posted on 07/08/2019 10:20:45 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: SMGFan

The Criminal Contempt Democrat House will vote to hold anyone who blocks their Pedophile Privilege in criminal contempt.


47 posted on 07/08/2019 10:24:22 PM PDT by TheNext (Diversity: Darker Replaces Lighter)
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To: knarf; All

The problem is not so much that illegals might vote, but that without the population based grants and programs, the rest of us in undercounted states will be paying for emergency room visits, traffic accidents, public schools, etc. used by non-citizens even ones that are not illegal.


48 posted on 07/08/2019 10:26:53 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: dowcaet; SMGFan

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I don’t know what the f**k is wrong with half this country that they vote for these Commucrats.
>

A: ‘Cuz ~50% (isn’t it over that by now?) have NO ‘skin in the game’. They’re going to vote against their ‘freebies’??

>These people don’t give a rat’s rear end about the country!

Leftists don’t. SEE: Venezuela, or Cuba, or....Jewels of the Caribbean/Central America until their Socialists+ promised FREE (and voted in time and time again).


49 posted on 07/09/2019 5:11:28 AM PDT by i_robot73 (One could not count the number of *solutions*, if only govt followed\enforced the Constitution.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Now they're just trying to see how high they can push President Trump's reelection victory.

50 posted on 07/09/2019 7:55:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Political Junkie Too; Repeal The 17th; RightGeek
Actually, the text of the 14th Amendment, section 2, reads:

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=false&doc=43&page=transcript

The point is reinforced, that representation should only be apportioned (i.e. allocated) based on the citizen population of the states.

The 14th Amendment was all about citizenship and primarily added to the Constitution to make sure black males born in the country were recognized, and counted (i.e. "WHOLE") as a citizen. Why does the 14th Amendment use the word "whole" more than once? Because the original Constitution counted blacks as 3/5's a person [1], which was done primarily to prevent the south from having even more power (i.e. Representatives in the House). Imagine how difficult it would have been to eventually eliminate slavery if the south had more political power during those years!

Since the 14th Amendment, the 19th Amendment was passed to allow women to vote in state and federal elections (they could already vote in some local elections much earlier) [2]

This is indeed proof that if a census is to be used to apportion, or determine the number of, House of Reps by state, that citizenship is the qualifier and therefore must be included on any census in order to justify the number of Reps based on number of citizens.

51 posted on 07/09/2019 8:05:51 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid
Thank you.

As you pointed out in the lower portion of your post, I removed the words "male" due to the 19th amendment obviating them. I didn't want them to obscure the point being made, which is that section 2 was about counting citizens for representation purposes, not just "persons."

-PJ

52 posted on 07/09/2019 8:23:58 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: SMGFan

that should be our theme song everywhere the Deplorables gather.


53 posted on 07/09/2019 9:14:29 AM PDT by WVNan
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To: Balding_Eagle

Fights are never glorious except in ballads and movies. This time it will likely be bloody.


54 posted on 07/10/2019 11:39:26 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Abby4116

Thanks for posting this! And keep praying.


55 posted on 07/10/2019 3:57:08 PM PDT by lizma2
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To: Political Junkie Too

Could Trump enact an executive order on the census siting the 14th?

Somehow pointing out the rats have abandoned the blacks for the hispanics, very, very delicately?

Orrrr just using the 14th and citizenship?


56 posted on 07/10/2019 4:32:44 PM PDT by lizma2
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To: lizma2
I would think so.

Executive Orders are limited to instructing the Executive branch on how to carry out legislation passed by Congress. It has to cite the relevant federal code that authorizes the order.

However, the Constitution is supreme Law of the Land, and an Executive Order written to conform with a Constitutional requirement would be entirely appropriate, to me, as it is superior to any law enacted by Congress.

-PJ

57 posted on 07/10/2019 5:35:26 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: DarthVader

-—Wait till Congress gets dissolved and charged with treason. Looking forward to rounding these scum up.——

LOL...what awesome drugs are you taking ?


58 posted on 07/10/2019 5:43:58 PM PDT by Popman
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To: Popman; laplata; Despot of the Delta; GOPsterinMA

Not drugs a$$hole. Some of us know what’s going on. Keep your eye on Epstein and learn.


59 posted on 07/10/2019 6:58:36 PM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: DarthVader

+100000000


60 posted on 07/10/2019 8:11:22 PM PDT by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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