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To: metmom
"The body of Christ is something a person is, not something a person joins and can leave."

This is here you go astray from the words of Our Lord. He warns repeatedly that our Faith --- which is to say, our Life within the Body --- may fail.

Any of us may fail. He knows that Judas will fail; He prays that Peter will NOT fail, but that when he repents of his dereliction and recovers, he may then confirm his brethren.. If His multiple, urgent warnings and prayers do not speak to that reality --- the reality that we may depart from our life of faith and love within Him --- then they mean nothing at all.

Christ says explicitly that a branch can be CUT OFF from the True Vine,and that the cut-off branch will die and then be thrown into the fire to be burned. He is speaking of His own Body: He is the vine, we are the branches.

Again, He warns that while many patches of soil receive seed (the Word of God) from the Sower, may even receive it gladly, and yet the seed may die out and not bear fruit. In some cases, the seed is eaten up by bird and never even sprouts. In other cases the living plant springs up, but dies out, either because the soil is too shallow, or because its growth is stunted by being planted among rocks, or because rampant weeds spring up along with it and choke it out.

Once again, the life and fruitfulness of the seed means His Word within us, that which makes us alive. This is a different analogy with the same object: a warning that even though our Faith was once planted, one sprouted, was once alive, it may yet die out.

Christ has told you that the fact that you believe in Him and you love Him now, does not guarantee that you always will, since as long as you live and breathe on this earth, you have that dread power to say "Non serviam." That's why there are imperative verbs in the New Testament: that's the meaning of Christ telling us what WE must do. Because God created us "without us" ---that is, created us without our having anything to say about it --- but He does not save us "without us."

He knows that your faith may fail.

"Because of the multiplication of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved." (Matthew 24:12-13) Noting can cut us off from the Love of Christ: nothing material or spiritual can do that, nothing visible or indivisible. Except that we can refuse that love. We can refuse to persevere. This is why He says we must persevere; only the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

You wrote, "This business of asking God to*rescue* Catholicism is meaningless. They need to take action."

Quite right. Asking for "rescue" without our corresponding action, is meaningless. My point exactly.

49 posted on 05/08/2019 7:45:50 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God." - 1 Peter 4:17)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
You wrote, "This business of asking God to*rescue* Catholicism is meaningless. They need to take action." Quite right. Asking for "rescue" without our corresponding action, is meaningless. My point exactly.

you are, of course correct....have there been evil persons in the Church throughout history....of course there have been.....Sinners are the reason that we need a church in the first place aand you don't exclude them from your midst......you, however, don't appoint them to positions of power in the church. While Catholicism has probably had homosexual persons in it for thousands of years, only recently did she succumb to the "Politically correct" notion that it was wrong to keep them out of high positions.......members of the church....of course, we are all sinners....leaders of the Church.....nope, keep them as behaviorally correct as is humanly possible.

as a side note, the incidents of sexual misbehavior is FAR greater in Protestant denominations than in the Catholic Church.....the difference, of course, if a Catholic priest is involved, the victim can sue the archdiocese of New York rather than Fred's church of what's happening now....

51 posted on 05/08/2019 1:56:19 PM PDT by terycarl (Notre Dame was God's way of pointing out that France has fallen from His favor....)
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