Notre-Dame des Flammes – And Why It’s Not As Sad As It Might Seem

New Boston Post ^ | April 16, 2019 | NBP Editorial Board

[caww]

To set up a person as a recipient for our prayers, no matter how great they are is making them out to be deity...Asking a saint to help and guide or protect is something only God can do. Further there is not one example of a Christian addressing prayers to Mary or saints, or those who are dead passing from our world.

The Bible says in Eph.2:18, “for through him we both have access by one spirit to the father.....Heb.7:25 tells us “He is our high priest ‘who lives to make intercession’... If God is praying for us is this not sufficient? Why go To a middle man (or woman who God has not instructed to go to) when we have God himself.

When God spoke with an audiable voice from heaven at the mount of Jesus’ transfiguration He said clearly...... “This is my beloved son hear him.”.... God has always pointed to his son... Nothing in Scripture ever indicates that Mary had prayers offered to her.

[steve86]

One of the graces Jesus sends to us (through Mary) is the Gift of Revelation. We know more and more accurately than those who rely on Scripture alone.

[metmom]

The shemitah thing was, so far, the ONLY thing that I have ever found him off on.

I have watched his presidential prayer breakfast speeches to both obama 2012 (IIRC) and Trump, and read The Paradigm, and he is the one preacher/evangelist/whatever, who I have seen consistently warn of God’s judgment because of our country’s sin, and preach an uncompromising message of repentance, turning to God through faith in Jesus Christ.

I am not going to dismiss everything he says when it lines up so closely to what is taught in Scripture.

And that does not change the fact that his observations about 9/11 and how it all ties together were amazing.

Because we lived it and saw the different events unfold over the period of years, they did not seem connected. As confusing as the format of The Harbinger can be at times, he ties it all together masterfully.

I had no idea of the connection between Wall Street, the Twin Towers, and the birth of this country. Nor did I see the connection or know of the constant use of Isaiah 9:10 and how often it was quoted.

[metmom]

I actually believe America is under God’s Judgment and it’s not going to end well.

I have been seeing some of our current events in a different light since reading The Harbinger.

I now see the influx of illegal immigrants, the increase of the muslim population, the rise of diseases that used to be a thing of the past, along with other weird and dangerous diseases being imported from third world countries, all as a continuation of what Cahn described in The Harbinger.

It does remind me of the things Israel went though in the OT before the Babylonian captivity as God was sending them warning after warning and they had increasing troubles with the nations around them. It went on a long time and became worse and worse until that point of no return was finally passed.

I fear Trump is only a reprieve. I do not see this nation turning together to God in repentance.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I think you are assuming prayer EQUALS worship. The older Christians do not use the word only in that more focused sense, but rather in the older and wider meaning of the word, which still even remains in English in certain Shakespeare-era phrases ("I pray you...") --- which means "to ask".

It is "prayer" to "ask" someone else too pray for you, or, more properly, to join their prayer to yours. You are both worshiping God. But you are not worshiping the person praying by your side! You are participating in their prayer to God, and they in yours.

I am sure you know how intercessory prayer works. If I am not missing my guess, you have at some time asked others in the Body of Christ to pray for you or with you.

Prayer is a spiritual connection. You (as a believer in Christ) have a living, loving, active, vital, spiritual connection with every other member of the Body of Christ.

[kaehurowing]

I agree with you. The date I turned the U.S. off is the date the Supreme Court forced gay marriage on the country. That was the end as far as God’s protection (although abortion is the primary sin that God is condemning America for). I took down my American flag and will probably never fly it again.

Unfortunately, not only is the country going to collapse, we as Christians are going to suffer persecution the likes of which have never happened before. Hillary made a speech before her campaign for president that people were going to have to be forced to accept abortion. Now Buttigieg says he is on the side of God in saying that Christians must accept homosexuality (despite Scripture uniformly saying the opposite). The media portrays him as a “devout Christian” despite living in defiance of God.

Here’s another day you can point to, which is the day the Democrats rejected God on national TV and thereby came under the express dominion of Satan (and see how increasingly deranged and demonic they have behaved since then):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8BwqzzqcDs

[metmom]

I don’t know who that man was who was the speaker, but he sure was rattled, wasn’t he?

What a terrifying video, to watch people deliberately choose to reject God.

[kaehurowing]

The guy who read the resolution was introduced as a governor and a Methodist minister. I wonder whether (1) he’s still a Democrat; and (2) a Methodist minister (given what has been going on).

[caww]

.....”You are participating in their prayer to God, and they in yours”....

Of course, but those we pray with are ‘alive here on earth’ they are physically here to converse...not those who have passed on and with the Lord who are not physically here and are unable to see or affect the affairs of mankind on earth to do what is attributed to God only...God says to ask Him - not Mary. Only God can answer ones prayer. So it becomes useless to pray to any other than Jesus Christ no matter how great they may be.

[caww]

.....”One of the graces Jesus sends to us (through Mary) is the Gift of Revelation”.....

That is not true....The “spirit of wisdom and of revelation” is not some esoteric gift or special blessing rather it refers to ‘the work of the Spirit of Christ’ in us, to help all the people of God understand the things of God. He works in the Christian ‘to confirm the truth of Scripture’ help us understand its meaning, drive us to Christ to deepen our personal relationship with Him ...and much more.

[metmom]

It was the other guy, the speaker who took the vote.

When the nays took it, he looked shocked. He stammered a bit and then asked again.

Then he asked a third time.

[metmom]

Which is the Holy Spirit, not Mary.

She, being human, cannot do the work that only God can do.

[Mrs. Don-o]

The thing to keep in mind, though, is that those who have passed on to Eternity and are in the very presence of God are not dead. Absolutely not dead. No way. You can take that to the bank: that is guaranteed.

And they are more alive than they've ever been, and more aware and more caring and more loving than they've ever been, because the great thing of which St. Peter speaks is accomplished in them:

2 Peter 1:4
Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

"Participate in the divine nature." Think of that. We should be standing here with our jaws agape. It is so unspeakably great.

Yes, they see, know, and care, love and live, far more than ever.

And they are still members of the Body of Christ, just as we are. Christ's Body doesn't have any dead clumps.

When St. James says"the prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective." do you suppose that the righteous in heaven, in the presence of God and sharers of His nature, are LESS powerful and effective then they were one earth?

Or that God brings them to Himself to make them unknowing and uncaring, deaf, dumb and blind?

I can't grasp why anyone would think that they mean zero to us, or we mean zero to them, when God has made them glorious?!

The angels themselves offer OUR prayers to God for us, as Revelation tells us repeatedly:

Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.

Revelation 8:3
Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all God’s people, on the golden altar in front of the throne.

Revelation 8:4
The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of God’s people, went up before God from the angel’s hand.

And the saints in Heaven? Check out Hebrews 12:1. We are surrounded, engulfed, encompassed by a whole cloud of witnesses --- those who have gone before us in the Lord. They are aware -- they care --- the are cheering us on!

Thank be to God, for making us a part of that.

[kaehurowing]

Matthew 26:33-35.

Yep, what was going on was pretty obvious if you had “eyes to see and ears to hear.”

[caww]

I never said people who have passed on are not alive who are with Him. Though I understand your need to present the traditions and teachings you've been indoctrinated with....

But to stay on topic....

It's real simple. We are not to attempt to communicate with or to those who have passed on. Asking a saint to help and guide or protect is something ‘only’ God can do. We do not have that authority which is only His.....and God always directs us to His son Jesus Christ as our mediator.

And again.... There is no Old Testament or New Testament teaching of praying to those who have passed on.... and while they may be very much alive in heaven ‘the Bible categorizes them as dead’ because they are no longer with us here on earth after their body is put to the ground.

[caww]

....”She, being human, cannot do the work that only God can do.”......

You will not change their hearts regarding her position in their church’s doctrines regarding her. That would bring down their faith and the church which sustains it and requires it.

Their mary is not the Mary of the scriptures rather a constructed entity designed centuries along with all the other icons, relics and such their leadership wrongfully brought into the church.......they will never yield to what God requires....it will now go the way we are told will happen and we see their path easily today.

[metmom]

You are right.

Only the illumination of the Holy Spirit can undo the lies of the enemy.

However, since they have grown up being fed those lies, it never occurs to them that they are not truth. Someone has to tell them.

Then it’s on them to either reject the lies and choose the truth, or double down on the lies and shut their ears to the truth.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Well, you wouldn't mind going online, would you, and looking up a few verses in an unabridged, 73-book Bible at BibleGateway?

Nevermind... ":o)

It's Holy Thursday and I have some singing to practice. Three days --- Thursday ,Friday and Saturday, with Christ in spirit during his Passion, Death, and Repose in the tomb. A beautiful and solemn time. And my RCIA students being Baptized and/or Confirmed at the Easter Vigil, the crown of the year. ((Sigh.)) ((Sigh, with Alleluias.))

I think with love of all Christians and pray with all Christians for all the world.

Need some hot tea to make my old voice supple. If I my ask, please pray for me.

[caww]

It’s like so many today who decide what they will believe then search the scriptures to find what will support their belief rather than let the scriptures speak to them as they are and through His Spirit who has promised to teach us....and He does, indeed He does!

And as Isaiah wrote..... “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:...... “ ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.”

[caww]

Add some honey to your tea.