Posted on 02/04/2019 3:37:30 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
And my main point about Switzerland was that Switzerland is a smaller version of the EU — it has individual cantons that are practically independent and joined in a confederation. So, if tomorrow Vaudois decides to leave, it could, but it would damage its economy utterly
The migrants in Calais CAN'T get into the UK because the UK does not follow Schengen. The UK leaving or staying in the EU does not affect this in any way as the migrants are not EU citizens
But they are following the policy of shifting EU policy from within. The sickening part of Brexit is that until 2016 the UK was their biggest ally to push agianst the Franco-German axis.
The UK had more clout within than it will have without
How can you not see it as factual when it is a fact. The majority of people in Poland wish to stay in the EU — even if they don’t like the EU, they hate Ciocia Merkel’s ideas etc. The reason is similar to why Texas stays in the USA even during the Obama years.
this (your) argument can be extended further, until there is a one world government. is that what you favor? after all, trade in theory becomes easier. and at least for you it seems to be all about trade. my outlook is not so ... dismal. i don’t think trade agreements invariably follow the path of least resistance. there are cultural ties. currency ties. elasticity of many forms. intangibles such as goodwill. in the future there may be new and relatively strong bilateral and multilateral trade agreements and new transport technologies such as biomass fuels, new oilfield discoveries and exploitation, aerospace transport. you do make some good points. but some of this stuff is to some degree cyclic. nations trade off on expertise and exploitation of natural resources. the thing changing is change itself. if a country suffers a recession, some manufacturing segment will sooner or later swoop in and exploit the resultant cheap labor, resulting in eventually more prosperity again. as for eurozone the major distinction to me is that gb still has the pound and not the euro. i would be inclined to believe that that makes withdrawal from the EU much easier than it would otherwise be.
Now you have not yet gotten back to me why Switzerland is not in the stone age due to being neither in the EU nor the eurozone. Why no gloom and doom from you concerning Switzerland’s fate? Surely it must see the error of its economically backwards ways. It’s a very small country. Much smaller than GB, with or without its satellite entities. Surely if bigger is invariably better then Switzerland’s economy has already hit rock bottom. Along with its banking industry which must have by now completely deserted it for greener pastures. Right?
Your opinion is wrong - East Germany is still, 30 years after unification, poorer, lesser opportunities and more depopulated compared to Western Germany. Berlin is the exception
Per capita income in the East is roughly 70% of the West, even now
Poland's economic growth is heavily because of growth in new industries PLUS being incorporated into the massive German-Czech-Slovak supply chain.
I’m sure the Polish people have their MSM as the USA has its MSM. There is so much dust being kicked up and the Poles won their independence from the Iron block only relatively recently in the historical timeline. They are just getting started in what is a new experience for them. I am not particularly concerned about how they may or may not indicate a flaw in my reasoning. I am at a slight disadvantage because I have not visited all countries in Europe and Poland is one country that I have missed so far so I have no firsthand observation and discussion with natives in their native land. Otherwise I consider them an outlier due to the youth of their relatively new government and relatively newly won independence. Perhaps they need more time to figure things out. Perhaps they will always enjoy being an enigma. Who knows.
Poland is Catholic and no we don’t welcome Mozzies and Mozzies don’t want to come here. They don’t come here because we have a pitiful welfare state and we have a tough language and we don’t allow mosques to be built anywhere except in the north-east (traditional Tatar Muslims are welcomed as Poles and they ARE poles)
Ummm... sooo?
i need to sleep since it is late in the evening where i am now. cheers and hip hip.
The EU has political differences, that's why they are separate countries but in a loose federation - more looser than the US, german or swiss federations but more than a trade union.
And of course cultural differences
but the key is - open trade and free movement of European peoples across the EU.
the farm work in Poland goes to Ukrainians, Belarussians and now increasingly Hindu/Sikh Indians
Quite frankly, unless your parents were born in Ireland, you’re no longer tied to Ireland. The US way of saying “oh, i’m polish/irish/italian’ but it turns out that the connections was more than 3 generations ago, is tenuous to say the least
The EU has common cultural and historical origins, as does the Indian Union. Russia and Turkey aren't included, neither is Morocco, which is why they are out.
However the differences within the EU are no vaster than between different American states
In terms of cultural and currency ties and elasticity, there is a lot in common between Bulgaria and Britain.
You keep saying "nations trade off on expertise and exploitation of natural resource" - but forget that many of the nations in the EU like Latvia, Luxembourg etc are smaller than Delaware. The way for them to compete is to be part of a larger entity, just as the way for DE to survive is to be part of a larger entity
If Louisiana suffers a recession, some manufacturing segment will exploit the cheap labour - but it's not even that simple - supply chains are critical. Why is it hard to move away from China? The supply chain ecosystem makes it more difficult.
In the case of Europe you have a number of German car firms set up in the west of Poland, in the Czech republic etc.
Finally, you keep mixing up the Eurozone and the EU -- GB has its own currency as do half of the EU countries having their own currencies.
Switzerland is as if DE paid dues to the US Fed and allowed free movement of goods, people, services and capital but had no representation in Congress or the Senate.
The UK wants that??? Taxation without representation
And Switzerland IS a mini-EU. Don’t you see that? it is not a unitary state like France or the UK pre-1997 but consists of multiple “nations” that rule themselves but have a common confederation. This is like the EU, but with more control than the EU has over its member states
.Joining the EU has not cut off Polish independence in any way
Full of facts? Yes. And “global” nah. Or do you think it is global for Virginia to have open borders with Maryland?
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