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To: robowombat

Cite credible historical sources for the accusations you make. An SCV pamphlet is not credible.


512 posted on 01/17/2019 12:06:41 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe
For Missouri Gray Ghosts of the Confederacy: Guerrilla Warfare in the West, 1861-1865 by Richard Brownlee, Inside War: The Guerrilla Conflict in Missouri During the American Civil by Michael Fellman and Monahan’s The Civil War on the Western Border will repay examination. For Middle Tennessee and Kentucky I don't have the books at my fingertips but will dig them out and get back. For Maryland, family history but there is an interesting note in Daniel Mogelever’s adulatory bio of one of the most problematic characters of the WBTS Lafayette Baker, ‘Death to Traitors’ where a raid through southern maryland in late 1861 by I think the 2nd Indiana Cavalry describes casually shooting unrepentant rebs (civilians) .

Plundering , thieving, abuse of non combatants was far to much the rule with yankees in the rural South.

513 posted on 01/17/2019 12:22:45 PM PST by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: Bull Snipe
Cite credible historical sources for the accusations you make. An SCV pamphlet is not credible.

I daresay I have seen only you bring up "SCV pamphlet"s. If someone has cited one as a source, I'm unaware of it. I don't think I have ever seen one myself.

As for credible sources, I did cite some credible sources when I related to you the strange and mysterious tale of David Porter taking the command of the Sumter expedition, ordering his crew to disguise it's outlines so it wasn't recognizable to people who "knew her well", hoisted a British Flag, sailed way out into the Atlantic to avoid being noticed by his own Navy, and then got to Pensacola with the intention of opening fire on the Confederate batteries there, only to be stopped by Captain Meigs putting his own ship directly in the path of the Powhatan.

I don't recall you commenting much on this odd series of events when first I mentioned them to you. I seem to recall that you thought I was making it up before I showed you the sources.

So what are we to make of the curious doings of Lieutenant Porter? (Two ranks below Captain in that era's Naval ranking system.)

How on earth did he get secret orders from the President to disrupt the Sumter expedition and try to start a war in Florida? Lincoln said it was all an error, and that he signed so many documents, he didn't realize he was tasking the ship to be in two places at once, and this might be believable were it not for the fact that these were hand carried "secret" orders, not routine ship orders.

How does one forget that one wrote specific secret orders relieving a specific Captain (Captain Mercer) of duty, and handing his powerful warship to a Lieutenant? And why did they need to be secret?

Why did quickly made Admiral Porter never release them to the public? He only alludes to what was in them, never getting into details or specifics.

516 posted on 01/17/2019 12:47:11 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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