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To: DoodleDawg

Yes to the leaders of the Southern states or at least most of them. Slavery was merely the pretext - economics then as now was what really drove things.


There weren’t all that many in Kansas, either. That didn’t stop slavery supporters from trying to bring it in as a slave state in 1857.

Yes it was a power struggle. Votes in the senate mattered a lot (for those economic arguments) so long as the Southern states were in. Once they were no longer in the US, there was no need for votes in the Senate and no concern with spreading slavery. The power struggle was over.


In 1860 the Democrat Platform called for the acquisition of Cuba. When the Southern leaders met in Montgomery for their constitutional convention in 1861 one of the first objections made was to the proposed name - The Confederate States of North America. Delegates like Alexander Stephens thought it was too limiting. You better believe Southern slave owners were concerned with the spread of slavery and had the Confederacy won its independence then there would have been expansion plans to the south and in the Caribbean.

It was the era of Manifest Destiny and that held true for both the US and the CSA. Were there bound to be some expansionist sentiments in the CSA as there had been and still were in the USA? Of course. That’s imperialism/expansionism. That’s not some holy crusade to expand slavery. Cuba already had slaves.


108 posted on 01/11/2019 12:03:18 PM PST by FLT-bird
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To: FLT-bird
Yes it was a power struggle. Votes in the senate mattered a lot (for those economic arguments) so long as the Southern states were in. Once they were no longer in the US, there was no need for votes in the Senate and no concern with spreading slavery. The power struggle was over.

And the reason why they gave up and left the U.S., leaving the power struggle behind, was because of slavery. Which brings us back to the initial error pointed out in the plaque.

It was the era of Manifest Destiny and that held true for both the US and the CSA. Were there bound to be some expansionist sentiments in the CSA as there had been and still were in the USA? Of course. That’s imperialism/expansionism. That’s not some holy crusade to expand slavery. Cuba already had slaves.

And the Confederate Constitution guaranteed those territories would be slave territories and the states made out of them would be slave states. Non-slave territories and non-slave states were prohibited. Which is why the Corwin amendment held no interest to them; it didn't protect slavery to the extent their new constitution did.

110 posted on 01/11/2019 12:20:05 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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