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How the War Party Lost the Middle East
Townhall.com ^ | January 1, 2018 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 01/01/2019 3:11:47 PM PST by Kaslin

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Correction: Make that "the wreckage Mr. Trump inherited."

Very well said Mr Buchanan.

1 posted on 01/01/2019 3:11:47 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

“Assad must go, Obama says.”
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The Kenyan from Indonesia is gone.
Assad is still there.

It was never our business.


2 posted on 01/01/2019 3:16:19 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Kaslin

The tribes of the Middle East have been fighting each other since Old Testament times. A thousand years hence, they’ll still be fighting.

I say develop domestic energy production, and let the Middle East regress back to the Stone Age, from whence they came prior to discovery of oil there.

The ONLY strategic importance of the Middle East to the rest of the world is OIL. Oh Eye Ell.


3 posted on 01/01/2019 3:33:29 PM PST by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: Kaslin

Obama and Hillary killed a lot of people to protect their drugs and weapons trade.


4 posted on 01/01/2019 3:33:40 PM PST by Neidermeyer (Show me a peaceful Muslim and I will show you a heretic to the Koran.)
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“It was never our business.”

Of course it was, it was all about business, they always are... Acceptable mass human losses aside, war is very lucrative and profitable. This is why the likes of Liz Cheney are pulling their hair out because it might be over.

They are profiting while our dead, wounded, and Grandchildren will be who foots the bill for it.


5 posted on 01/01/2019 3:36:11 PM PST by Openurmind
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To: Kaslin

for later


6 posted on 01/01/2019 3:40:33 PM PST by Cassius Flavia Agrippa
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To: Kaslin

What Assad has done for the world far exceeds what he has done for his own country. Obama and his Muslim Brotherhood team were toppling rulers throughout the Arab world to install anti-American puppets. Assad’s refusal to turn tail and run in the face of the New World Order gave the Egyptians the courage to fight to re-gain their country. Libya is still a mess (and probably should never have been cobbled together from the three Italian components) but at least the cancer has been contained.


7 posted on 01/01/2019 3:43:25 PM PST by PAR35
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PROTECT THE KURDS!!! is the cry from the Neo-cons today. I remember back to the day when the word neocon was a slander and an attack against those who wished to destroy terror and Islam. It took a bit of time until I came to realize neocons had only the thought of fortune and domination of the New World Order in mind. They no more had the best intentions to destroy terror, than they had in protecting an ally named Moammar Kaddafi.

My turning point was triggered by GHW Bush refusing to do as he promised for the Kurds after Gulf War 1. Instead OUR ALLY Turkey, along with Saddam Hussein, tortured persecuted and murdered those who were essential in Bush the Elders war. These very same Kurds who now are at risk.

Then came Bush the Youngers war. He too disallowed helping the Kurds, because if he pushed for it he said, OUR ALLY Turkey would not allow us to fly over their airspace while advancing our so called common goal.

We did not care for the Kurds then, we care just as much now Yet their plight is again invoked as a reason to stay in Empire building mode.

What is it again about Turkey being a Nukular power while being a Islamist state along with Pakistan that escape the notice of todays neo-cons? Why again do we call Saudi Arabia a friend, while they build education centers for Jihad?

The answer lies not in our goal being to defeat terror, reduce the power of Islamists and save the world for Democracy. It is in sowing confusion, death and destruction. You see, it easily fills the elites pockets with gold, and enhances their power over us all. The only cost is in blood and lost limbs. Who really cares about the ones bearing the cost? Not the neo-cons, not the Democrats, not the Republicans. It is only the hoi-poloi. The one financing the venture, but never cut in on the profit.


8 posted on 01/01/2019 3:51:54 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (If Republicans are not prepared to carry on the Revolution of 1776, prepare for a communist takeover)
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Libya had a substantial deposit of gold, as Khaddafi was planning on backing a new currency with it. I assume it is now in safer hands. The very same hands that control the World Bank, the International Bank of Settlements, and the Federal Reserve. Of course the halfrican and Mz Corrupt Clunton got their finders fee.


9 posted on 01/01/2019 3:55:31 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (If Republicans are not prepared to carry on the Revolution of 1776, prepare for a communist takeover)
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Syria has had about $5 billion dollars worth of destruction to it’s infrastructure, maybe higher. We will see how that is rebuilt before I’d acknowledge the Regime has won.

That $100 million the Saudis are giving is a drop in the bucket, the country is in ruins.


10 posted on 01/01/2019 3:59:10 PM PST by BeadCounter
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We should’ve gone in, killed whoever the real mastermind was, then left.


11 posted on 01/01/2019 4:11:19 PM PST by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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We should’ve gone in, killed whoever the real mastermind was, then left.

That would have been at 1600 Penn Ave a few years ago. I hear he's still in the neighborhood though.

12 posted on 01/01/2019 4:19:22 PM PST by rawcatslyentist ("All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing")
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No peace in Syria until Assad is ousted, says Nikki Haley

In a departure from the administration’s previous stance, US ambassador to the UN suggests regime change is now one of its priorities

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/09/no-peace-in-syria-until-assad-is-ousted-says-nikki-haley

I’ll never support her.


13 posted on 01/01/2019 4:39:35 PM PST by McGruff
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Pat is now and always has been full of crap.

He is a 1930’s anachronism unfit to live in the present and certainly not the future


14 posted on 01/01/2019 4:42:51 PM PST by bert ( (KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Princess Gray Beaver, for President?)
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The Constant War Crowd (McCainiac, Grahamnesty, et al.) never met a conflict they didn’t like. They might not want to spend a few billion dollars securing the U.S. border, but by jingo they’ll spend untold billions in every third-world hellhole one can imagine.


15 posted on 01/01/2019 5:38:25 PM PST by SharpRightTurn (Chuck Schumer--giving pond scum everywhere a bad name.)
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Would have been so much cheaper and less bloody for all sides to simply hand Israel and Egypt $200 billion, load the Sinai up with fighters, bombers and missiles, and the Med and Gulf with ships, and let them kick the crap put of anyone who caused a problem.


16 posted on 01/01/2019 5:46:41 PM PST by montag813
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lol


17 posted on 01/01/2019 5:50:40 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: McGruff

That’s not what she said apparently. Reading the article, it seems that Reuters/Guardian misconstrued her remarks as a statement of policy, not as a prediction as she seemed to intend.

It’s a grim prediction. Assad may be a nasty piece of work, but blood will really flow if he’s taken out. He’s a Baathist-secularist and seems willing to protect minorities.


18 posted on 01/01/2019 6:16:19 PM PST by tsomer ((Hell, I really don't know.))
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Yes. If Gens Mattis Kelly et al were such geniuses, why after 17 years of their guidance are we nowhere closer to a decisive outcome than we ever were?
19 posted on 01/01/2019 6:31:07 PM PST by hinckley buzzard (Power is more often surrendered than seized.)
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Correction: Make that "the wreckage Mr. Trump inherited."

That is true. But Pat is very free and loose with his "facts" otherwise. The conflation of Bush and Obama regimes is particularly inappropriate.

Obama's policies were often in direct contradiction to Bush's.

Much of the problems are a direct result of that.

Pat is engaging in sniping, but we have no way of knowing that things would have been better if we had done nothing. They might well have been much worse.

Notice that Pat does *not* complain about the first Gulf war, which had considerable cost as well.

Yet the Second Gulf War was just a continuation of the First. We never stopped being at war with Saddam's Iraq.

We should have likely toppled Iran next, as they supplied our enemies in Iraq.

We could not do it because of the horrific attacks on moral at home and on President Bush by our own Media. The were and are, the enemy within.

20 posted on 01/01/2019 6:51:08 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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