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I understand what you're saying, and it's a realistic observation that needs to be taken into consideration.

When I said 'rape training," I did not mean "training how to achieve penetration and ejaculation into a somewhat feminine-looking orifice." {I reckon any man, chimp or bonobo could do that.)

I meant "training yourself OUT OF any elements of social or moral maturity you might have acquired over the years, which suggest that sexual intercourse is structured for the couple-bonding of a man and a woman toward the formation of a stable family with children."

Or even "training yourself OUT OF any traces of instinctual humanity which inclines you to interpersonal rather than mechanistic satisfactions."

How-to-copulate is part of the --- well, I was going to say part of the honorable mammalian heritage, but on second thought, it probably arises in the reptile brain. You can "get" that without trying, without one rational thought.

It's relating as a human, with a human, that requires rational thought,emotional richness, moral virtue such as prudence, courage, generosity, justice, thoughtfulness, consideration. decency, even jolly good-fellowship. It's that that you'd have to train yourself out of --- that is, if you want to be a suitable partner to a mere thing, a non-sentient chattel, a household appliance. Or, alternatively, fit to rape or be raped.

I truly hope most men would not de-train to be de-humanized.

I am daily grateful for the husband I have, who is way, WAY over on the human side.

I understood. And there are basic moral expectations by society. And if these moral expectations are not adhered to there are consequences.

Fear of these Consequences is the only thing that keeps this primal urge in check. The more moral a man is only means the better he is at hiding these urges and thoughts because he fears the consequences more than others.

Some are better at this than others, but it is always there and will always need to be released and satisfied at regular intervals. When they cannot find a morally acceptable form of release they are going to find an immoral and sometimes criminal way to release it. But they are going to do it.

There is no such thing as abstinence, This has been a lie and deception for a couple thousand of years now. There always has been and there always will be the biological urge to release even if it is on a personal basis. And as the father of three adult girls I can tell you that it is not just the male of the species.

The primal biological urge to get nasty is in everyone of us, some just hide it better than others because of the consequences that may result if we don’t. Even those who claim to be moral. All the “moral training” is nothing more than becoming good at hiding it based on fear.

I share this reality as a moral and loyal husband for 34 years, the father of three, and the Grandfather of 11. Reality is reality...There ain’t no hiding it.