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To: daniel1212; HarleyD; Lurker; Elsie

The African councils, like any other council, were binding on the Church, however, Trent had to respond firmly to Protestant lies and obfuscations regarding the Deuterocanon.


417 posted on 08/23/2018 5:01:19 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

“Trent had to respond firmly to Protestant lies and obfuscations regarding the Deuterocanon.“

Nah. Catholics tried to correct the failings and sins of Rome, but Rome tried to kill them.

They had to leave.

Had Rome not failed, or if it had responded in repentance, things would be different today.

As the Gospel was set free and spread, Rome was threatened and did all it knows to do - issue proclamations and anathemas, and inquisitions.

The Gospel is still spreading, despite Rome’s persecution and martyrdom of believers in Christ.

Meanwhile Rome is sexually abusing children and trying to minimize it.

All glory to God for Bis glorious Gospel of Grace!

And thanks to saint Luther, who was used mightily be God!


425 posted on 08/23/2018 6:43:38 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: annalex

So fast forward to now.

The seal of confession has become a means to conceal terrible crime against children. But hey, I’m sure Jesus would be cool with that. He was just kidding about millstones and seas.

Right?

L


426 posted on 08/23/2018 6:59:20 AM PDT by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: annalex
The African councils, like any other council, were binding on the Church, however, Trent had to respond firmly to Protestant lies and obfuscations regarding the Deuterocanon.

You can continue to believe and employ propaganda if you wish, but the fact is that they were not binding, for other than the ex cathedra teaching of the pope, only the decisions of ecumenical councils (which Hippo, Carthage and Florence were not) have been treated as strictly definitive in the canonical sense, and thus Catholic scholars were able to, and did, hold differing opinions on the canonical status of the Deutros - right into Trent.

Thus if Trent had to respond firmly to "Protestant lies and obfuscations" regarding the Deuterocanon then it had to see to her own house as well. .

Trent settled the matter, apparently after an informal vote of 24 yea, 15 nay, with 16 abstaining (44%, 27%, 29%) as to whether to affirm it as an article of faith with its anathemas on those who dissent from it. Trent confirmed Hippo & Carthage (though that these were exactly the as Trent has been disputed due to the confusing matter of the nomenclature of 1 Esdras). but the point is that the canon was not definitively settled until after the death of Luther in 1546.

429 posted on 08/23/2018 10:04:02 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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