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Why Your State Should NOT Legalize Weed
Barbwire ^ | August 15, 2018 | Larry Tomczak

Posted on 08/15/2018 9:06:53 AM PDT by fwdude

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To: riverdawg

Yea like i said it sucks when your corner bag runs out.
After a few days of being bummed out that you are dry you get over it.
for those that DON’T that is their problem.
for the rest of us 99% life goes on...


201 posted on 08/15/2018 2:26:58 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: entropy12
No worries. What I was alluding to is the government spends lots of tax payer dollars in enforcing marijuana laws.

Ahh....got it.

I personally don't see the real benefit to the public in continuing the failing war against marijuana, and as you cited in your example, the taxpayer costs to prosecute the war are obscene.

Running a 70 year old man through the legal system wringer, merely for possessing a couple of ounces of plant matter, is a ridiculous waste of precious public resources, and serves no one.

202 posted on 08/15/2018 2:30:46 PM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Vermont Lt
Point taken, but then the "for personal use" descriptor is kind of useless, isn't it? Why use it at all?

But you bring up a good point on spelled out law. And this has been my argument all along. Marijuana is never really "legalized," it just become more highly regulated, MUCH more highly regulated, when it is "decriminalized." What was once perhaps a dozen pages of penal code defining an outright ban on pot becomes 1,200 pages of regulations, a new, multi-million dollar bureaucratic agency to administer them, and never-ending efforts to keep it away from children, and mending the broken lives it causes.

203 posted on 08/15/2018 2:31:03 PM PDT by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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To: LeoWindhorse
Generally speaking

Well there's your problem. Cut out the ignorant generalizations.

204 posted on 08/15/2018 2:36:23 PM PDT by dware (Americans prefer peaceful slavery over dangerous freedom)
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To: Reynoldo
Finally, a recent study from Northwestern University established clearly that teen “potheads” had brain abnormalities related to poor short-term memory performance.

How adorable. Lol. Been smoking since 15. My memory is just fine. I'm 43 now. Get a life, propagandist!

205 posted on 08/15/2018 2:37:36 PM PDT by dware (Americans prefer peaceful slavery over dangerous freedom)
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To: fwdude

What tests should be deployed in determining when someone is DUI on pot? Or are the pot defenders against DUI laws?


206 posted on 08/15/2018 2:39:11 PM PDT by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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To: dware

LOL! You’re hardly an objective judge of your own condition.


207 posted on 08/15/2018 2:40:03 PM PDT by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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To: fwdude
and never-ending efforts to keep it away from children

Dispensaries in my area check your ID, TWICE before any purchase is made. Under 21 ain't allowed inside the dispensary.

How many times is the street corner dealer checking your kid's ID?

208 posted on 08/15/2018 2:40:09 PM PDT by dware (Americans prefer peaceful slavery over dangerous freedom)
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To: fwdude
LOL! You’re hardly an objective judge of your own condition.

I don't need to be the judge of my own condition. My Doc is usually the best judge of my mental and physical health, and they have noted I am perfectly ok.

209 posted on 08/15/2018 2:41:55 PM PDT by dware (Americans prefer peaceful slavery over dangerous freedom)
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To: fwdude

Here in MA, pot was “legalized” in 2016. You still cannot buy it or sell it because the state government doesn’t really want to do it. So they drag their feet.

That is what I hate about government control—they have to figure out how they are going to get their cuts. And, if the people override their desires, they act like petulant children who pout and make life difficult.

Anarchy isn’t looking all that bad these days.


210 posted on 08/15/2018 2:41:56 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: dware
Street corner dealers will still exist. Or they'll get someone of age to buy their stuff, at a premium, for them, the way minors get alcohol these days.

And you've never heard of fake ID's? They are almost indistinguishable from the real thing.

Regardless, you really don't address my point. Efforts will have to be made to insulate children from an increasingly pot-filled environment. Many of these efforts will fail.

211 posted on 08/15/2018 2:45:36 PM PDT by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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To: Vermont Lt
Government will ALWAYS be in control of the pot issue, whether it is legalized or not. That's my point.

It is never going to be the case that marijuana is fully decriminalized as if it were water. Just not going to happen.

212 posted on 08/15/2018 2:48:21 PM PDT by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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To: Gunslingr3
Alcohol is bad for you, Prohibition is worse.

Are you aware that the DEFAULT position over the past 75 years or so in nearly every state has been the criminalization of MJ? This has not changed, except in a handful of states. Why are people acting as if a long permitted activity were suddenly being prohibited?

I feel like I'm addressing the "gay marriage" issue here.

213 posted on 08/15/2018 2:51:24 PM PDT by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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To: fwdude
Street corner dealers will still exist.

I know several who have been put out of business because of legal weed. It isn't worth their time or risk anymore. Sure, there are a few, but the more accessible it becomes legally, the more competition among dispensaries, the cheaper the product, the less the juice is worth the squeeze. VERY simple economics.

they'll get someone of age to buy their stuff, at a premium, for them, the way minors get alcohol these days.

Nice to see you are coming around to the argument that pot should be regulated like alcohol.

Efforts will have to be made to insulate children from an increasingly pot-filled environment.

They have already been exposed to it. There has not been "an increasingly pot-filled environment". On the contrary, there are simply more people being willing to say the use it now that its legal. When prohibitionists get their way, it doesn't cause smokers to suddenly quit. They simply go back underground and the black market explodes again.

Why are you so intent on protecting the black markets and the mexican drug cartels that supply them? That's just crazy!

214 posted on 08/15/2018 3:08:08 PM PDT by dware (Americans prefer peaceful slavery over dangerous freedom)
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To: dware
Why are you so intent on protecting the black markets and the mexican drug cartels that supply them? That's just crazy!

And again, are you prepared to make that same argument for all the other imported hard drugs on the market? Make them legal here so that their cartels will dry up?

215 posted on 08/15/2018 3:15:56 PM PDT by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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To: fwdude

“Are you aware that the DEFAULT position over the past 75 years or so in nearly every state has been the criminalization of MJ?”

So? Slavery had been around for centuries, would you hold that up as a justification to maintain it? Pointing to the length of an injustice doesn’t make it better.

“This has not changed, except in a handful of states.”

It’s been legalized in 30 States and the District.

“Why are people acting as if a long permitted activity were suddenly being prohibited?”

Why won’t people just hush and let the federal government keep violating the Bill of Rights? Nannystate ‘conservatives’ are easily the worst kind.


216 posted on 08/15/2018 3:18:58 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: fwdude
all the other imported hard drugs on the market

Let the addicts die instead of bringing them back via narcan. The fewer addicts, the less demand. Less demand = less supply.

Cocaine, crack, meth, heroin, et al are un-American because their production puts everyone in the vicinity in danger. A meth lab explodes, it has potential to kill not only the cookers, but anyone in the immediate vicinity.

On the other hand, if I grow pot in my backyard, dry it in my kitchen and smoke it in my living room, it is simultaneously none of your business and not a danger to anyone else. Get your busy body nose outta my business and mind your own.

217 posted on 08/15/2018 3:20:18 PM PDT by dware (Americans prefer peaceful slavery over dangerous freedom)
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To: Alberta's Child

And He will.


218 posted on 08/15/2018 4:32:14 PM PDT by chris37 ("I am everybody." -Mark Robinson)
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To: John S Mosby
in creating... Oreo cookie pear shaped fatty waistlines.

pot (gulp) makes you store muffintop fat???? that auta cure the girls

219 posted on 08/15/2018 5:41:11 PM PDT by blueplum ( "...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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To: fwdude

In before the clip of Jim (from Taxi).


220 posted on 08/15/2018 5:48:42 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches, and get with what's real.)
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