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To: arrogantsob

All false. States were and are sovereign and the union is based upon the consent of the governed.

Oh and of course, slavery was not the primary issue. Had it been the Northern government would not have offered slavery forever by express constitutional amendment and the original 7 seceding states would not have turned that offer down.

Nevermind that the Upper South seceded only after Lincoln chose to make war.

Its truly amazing how some who claim to not be Leftists do everything they possibly can to worship at the feet of big government, try to centralize all power in the hands of Imperial Washington and go miles out of their way to denigrate the most reliably conservative/libertarian region in the country while doing so.


44 posted on 08/15/2018 10:43:01 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: FLT-bird

The Union is based on the Constitution and that was what was in question.

There was never any real “sovereignty” of the states outside those allowed by the Constitution and rebellion is not one of them. This is one of the unique aspects of the document.

States had the power to leave a Confederacy, they had no such right under the Constitution.


49 posted on 08/15/2018 10:58:04 AM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: FLT-bird

There was NO “big government” before the war. It’s growth was a direct result of the insurrection.

Nor does the claim of “tyranny” hold even a drop of water. It is amusing to see it trotted out against ALL facts.


51 posted on 08/15/2018 11:00:59 AM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: FLT-bird
Oh and of course, slavery was not the primary issue. Had it been the Northern government would not have offered slavery forever by express constitutional amendment and the original 7 seceding states would not have turned that offer down.

Why not? They announced their secession and adopted a constitution that protected slavery to an extent never dreamed of in the North. Why would they throw all that over the side and come slinking back?

Nevermind that the Upper South seceded only after Lincoln Davis chose to make war.

Fixed it for you.

Its truly amazing how some who claim to not be Leftists do everything they possibly can to worship at the feet of big government, try to centralize all power in the hands of Imperial Washington and go miles out of their way to denigrate the most reliably conservative/libertarian region in the country while doing so.

They aren't talking about Kansas, Nebraska, the Dakotas, Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho. They're talking about the South.

53 posted on 08/15/2018 11:01:14 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: FLT-bird
Its truly amazing how some who claim to not be Leftists do everything they possibly can to worship at the feet of big government, try to centralize all power in the hands of Imperial Washington and go miles out of their way to denigrate the most reliably conservative/libertarian region in the country while doing so.

Between the globalist Free Traitors™ and the South bashing state-ists there are very few reliable Freepers that post will the truth.

Thanks for your great post BTW.

91 posted on 08/15/2018 12:00:41 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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