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To: Navy Patriot
This is a tough one. After the thug knocked the shooter down, was the thug still a threat? Lethal force is justified when you're in reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm. But, even if the shooter claims to have had that subjective state of mind, the video can go to prove whether that state of mind was reasonable.

So, if I'm our shooter, I've been knocked to the ground and the thug who did it is standing over me. He isn't rushing me at the moment, but if I start to get up I'll be off balance and a perfect target if he wants to give me a solid kick or punch. The fact is, a good kick or sucker punch can be lethal. So, maybe my best bet is to stay on the ground and see if he goes away. That might be a good call if Mr. Thug's body language, and/or what he's saying to me at the time, suggest that he isn't in a mood to come back at me.

But, that's a lot of thinking to do while I've just been knocked to the ground by the sort of guy who will come out of a convenience store and knock somebody to the ground. Maybe I just stop thinking so much, take out my firearm and neutralize the threat.

Taking a life is serious business. I'd hate to think I killed anyone, even a violent thug, when it could have been avoided. As for the thug: play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

78 posted on 07/21/2018 12:13:20 PM PDT by jumpingcholla34
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To: jumpingcholla34
So, if I'm our shooter, I've been knocked to the ground and the thug who did it is standing over me. He isn't rushing me at the moment, but if I start to get up I'll be off balance and a perfect target if he wants to give me a solid kick or punch.

That's not what happened.

The assault suspect was not standing over the white victim. He was back up even prior to the white guy producing a weapon. After the weapon was produced, the assault suspect continued to back away from the white guy.

The video don't lie. Like the Internet, video makes a really good witness.

81 posted on 07/21/2018 12:18:51 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: jumpingcholla34
I tend to agree with you here. It is a tough one but I will side with the victim of physical assault given the nature of the encounter. A larger man, not party to the conversation, comes from inside the store to aggressively assault the guy.

Was is it a clear cut situation worth killing someone over? Perhaps not but I will defer to the assault victim because there are innumerable ways in which this scenario could have played out. Those scenarios includes ones in which the victim is dead so I side with the victim. He was not physical, as far as I can tell, only verbal and sticks and stones may break your bones but words can never hurt you.

Furthermore, with these types of stories I try to put myself in the situation. Having had Hermia surgery less than 90 days ago, but outwardly appearing fine, and having a bad back a push like that from a larger man would have seriously impeded my ability to get up and respond. Therefore, were the STG guy to be brought up on charges and I were on the jury he would walk.
167 posted on 07/21/2018 1:51:08 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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