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(Florida) ‘Stand your ground’ law protects shooter in deadly fight over parking space: sheriff
New York Post ^ | July 20, 2018 | Joshua Rhett Miller

Posted on 07/21/2018 10:33:56 AM PDT by Navy Patriot

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To: CTyank

I agree. From our point of view.


281 posted on 07/23/2018 8:44:29 AM PDT by stevio (MAGA)
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To: Navy Patriot

I could see him shooting if he continued to assault him. But, that was an exaggerated response - in my opinion.


282 posted on 07/23/2018 8:55:37 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: 21twelve

But don’t get me wrong, these violent AH’s who assault people over petty verbal squabbles deserve to be dealt with by any means, if necessary. I just feel the assault victim should have not pulled the trigger once the attacker started backing off.

And this is why they tell people who want to conceal carry, “Mind your own business and always try to avoid confrontation”, or in this case, playing parking lot cop.


283 posted on 07/23/2018 8:56:55 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Nifster

You’re saying the boyfriend responded over aggressively?
I see it the other way around. The shooter should mind his own business or call the police about parking violations.

It seems to me that the shooter feels a bit too confident with a firearm holstered to his belt


284 posted on 07/23/2018 9:06:50 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: jumpingcholla34
A firearms instructor advised me once that if you’re carrying, you should avoid verbal altercations whenever possible

Probably always a good rule of thumb, there are way too many mentally ill, kooks and thugs out there to start an issue.

285 posted on 07/23/2018 9:10:37 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Repeat Offender

Or perhaps she will now get a CCP as obviously self appointed parking lot cops are crazy.


286 posted on 07/23/2018 9:12:14 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: KeyLargo
but actually threw to the ground the victim and stood over him in a menacing manner

The force could have severely injured or killed the man. Last week a cop was hit in the head by a rock in MA, cop fell down and dropped his gun, perp picked it up and shot the cop dead. The violent push could be considered life threatening. As far as the man backing away, I think that was after he was shot as his car was closer to the shooter so if he were thru he would have gotten in his car.

287 posted on 07/23/2018 9:17:06 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: 1Old Pro

No, clearly the BG backed up as WG pulled out his gun, which was immediately after he pushed himself up. BG apparently sees this and backs away, then starts turning away THEN gets shot.

I don’t have a problem with WG pulling his gun, but unless he had poor perspective, he shot a guy retreating at the moment. His showing the gun was enough, probably.


288 posted on 07/23/2018 9:27:26 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: 1Old Pro

The local talk shows, including some so called conservatives are getting their undies in a twist over the poor innocent ‘family man’ murdered by a white guy.

What a crock.

As has been said before, the boys in the hood are worth more dead than alive.

The baby momma will be given a pile of money from a lawsuit that is most likely being filed now against, the state, county, local authorities and probably the market, and whatever deep pocket entity an ambulance chaser can come up with.


289 posted on 07/23/2018 9:29:15 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Agree completely with you.


290 posted on 07/23/2018 9:32:01 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: HollyB

You put your hands on someone you’re out of line


291 posted on 07/23/2018 12:15:00 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Nifster

Perhaps, but that guy was going off on the woman for a long time. He didn’t just state his complain and go. If you encountered someone aggressively yelling at your GF/wife, you may just do the same thing. The live leak video shows the shooter was out of line. There was another person who said the shooter threatened to kill him over a parking situation as well.

The shooter is a little punk who was looking for an issue. I hope he rots in jail.


292 posted on 07/23/2018 12:22:07 PM PDT by HollyB
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The whole video. Not the shortened one.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=sqPbL_1532105651


293 posted on 07/23/2018 12:29:37 PM PDT by HollyB
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Some advice for this punk with a concealed carry permit. #1 alone. He was the angry person.

4. Angry People

Some people are just more prone to violent outbursts than others. We know where those people generally hang out. Sure, they can wander outside of their usual spots and there’s no guarantee you won’t run into them at the store. Still, stay out of places that tend to have lots of angry people looking for fights.

3. Less Than Honorable Practices

If you’re a concealed carrier, you’re expected to act as a law-abiding citizen. You’re an unwitting ambassador of the community. If you’re carrying concealed on your motorcycle, and you decide to whip in and out of traffic just because you can – you can safely assume nobody likes you. That’s a pretty big statement. But when you’re parked in your car in a tremendous traffic jam and you see a motorcyclists weave and bob between vehicles, you’d probably wish they wouldn’t. Now, if you’re doing it, and you have a firearm strapped to you – you’re inviting misery.

Every single warm-blooded mammal in this country steps outside the law. Whether it’s running a “Stop” sign or going faster than the posted speed limit – if you’re going to step outside the law, do it without a firearm.

2. Follow-Up: Bad Driving

Let’s continue this point a bit further. We covered a story a little while back where a concealed carrier was driving like an idiot in Florida. I know, I know – you can hardly believe it. A Floridian driving horribly. But suspending your disbelief just a moment, this driver happened to accrue ANOTHER vehicle following him for allegedly the purposes of getting his license plate number so he could phone it into police. That situation turned out about as bad as you can imagine it would. Concealed carriers don’t like being followed. But going off point #3 and continuing it into this point: if you’re going to drive like an idiot, do yourself a favor and leave your firearm out of it. That gun is not your automatic justification to do whatever you please.

http://concealednation.org/2015/09/10-things-to-avoid-while-carrying-concealed/


294 posted on 07/23/2018 12:38:06 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: HollyB

That video shows that the shooter shot the guy in the stomach, not the back as he retreated. Almost looks like the shooter would have been attacked again if he didn’t shoot.


295 posted on 07/23/2018 12:39:34 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: the OlLine Rebel
No, clearly the BG backed up as WG pulled out his gun, which was immediately after he pushed himself up. BG apparently sees this and backs away, then starts turning away THEN gets shot.

Video shows him getting shot then turning and going back into the store.

296 posted on 07/23/2018 12:41:51 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: HollyB
If you encountered someone aggressively yelling at your GF/wife, you may just do the same thing.

He looked like he was quite calmly talking to the woman. By the customers turning around perhaps the woman was screaming at the guy?

297 posted on 07/23/2018 12:43:15 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: 1Old Pro

He was pointing at her. He was also known to do this before.

Once he pulled his forearm out, the boyfriend backed up. There was no reason to shoot him.

Concealed carry folks have a responsibility to avoid arguments. He intentionally confronted and argued with a woman and child. If I were that woman, I would have felt threatened by him. Her BF did what most would. Maybe her bf was handling the threat too?

He gives a very bad name to the 2nd amendment. I stand by he’s a punk with a gun.


298 posted on 07/23/2018 12:50:03 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: HollyB
I stand by he’s a punk with a gun.

Forcibly and Physically attacked by another punk.

299 posted on 07/23/2018 12:52:12 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: 1Old Pro

That’s where I disagree. The punk deserved to get shoved. He needs to mind his own business. I hope they yank his CC and pronto.


300 posted on 07/23/2018 12:55:06 PM PDT by HollyB
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