Posted on 07/21/2018 8:20:02 AM PDT by Simon Green
Edited on 07/21/2018 9:07:58 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
“Most pharmacists are not in the open but with a privacy window”
Yeah, now there’s a good point...
Doesn’t CVS Corporate have a HIPPA Compliance vulnerability here? I mean there are ‘Oral Privacy’ provisions in the HIPPA Statutes that carry severe penalties. If there was really this kind of a humiliating HIPPA Violation then there’d be serious damages and penalties involved. This story describes a gross violation of those statutes.
If there was this kind of a HIPPA Violation then this customer should bring the case. But if it’s just wind then I’d agree with you that we’re only hearing one side of the story here. Else we’d be talking about something more than delivering the medications prescribed with an apology right?
I agree with you. We do need to be kind. But not above all things.
While we don’t have all the details of this story, it is possible that the pharmacist may have been objecting to this prescription on moral grounds. From one ethical perspective, taking medications to alter ones appearance to become more female-like is immoral because it is intentionally interfering with the functioning of normally functioning organs where there is no disease process. In that case, even though the pharmacist is not the one taking the drug, he may be cooperating in an evil by his role in filling the prescription. His decision to NOT cooperate is the exercise of his conscience rights to refuse to do harm.
Now, having said this, the place to have worked this out is not in front of the patient but with the employer in advance of any such interactions. If the employer did not respect the pharmacist’s conscience rights, then the pharmacist would need to seek a different employer who did rather than commit the immoral act.
You are correct. It is important to always be kind. But it is more important to be moral and kind. One is not being kind by participating in a morally repugnant act of self mutilation.
I agree with you. There’s more to this than we’re being told.
For example, the pharmacist might have simply asked the man in a dress if he understood the serious health risks that I come with a man taking large doses of female hormones. And that would certainly be enough to set off such a mentally ill person. Particularly one who knows he’s part of a preferred grievance group.
I seriously question the ethics of a physician who would prescribe cancer-causing drugs to a mentally ill person.
He can have his peter cut off, but he’s still got a prostate. And a prostate does not like large doses of female hormones.
Why be embarrassed? I thought Gays were loud and proud?
It’s not like someone who would have to worry about being physically attacked for saying they are a Trump Supporter and thrown out of a Business.
The “trans” phenomenon is not the direct result of the DSM change in 1972.
In fact, the existence of trans people was much more respectable (medically) in 1972 than it is today.
What has happened is a political tidal wave. The Johns Hopkins psych department, which started all this, has denounced it and withdrawn. A lot of the surgery happens in Thailand.
As the medical view of this has turned negative, the popular view has become overwhelmingly positive.
It’s hard to figure.
The cultural norms today are utterly meshuggah.
I think this is nothing more that a sexual perversion, a form of personality pathology, and is therefore not likely to be influenced by medical data. It’s just one more example of a public backlash against morality that refuses to condone sexual perversions.
“but I will not be forced into the ridiculous view that people can change genders.”
I sure agree with you about the PC gender identity movement. That’s over the horizon in the other direction. Someone’s going to get seriously hurt when daddy catches some guy in a dress... Hairy Legs, chest hair, crooked breast gaffe and half a beard.. walking out of a bathroom his wife and little girl are in. Then there was that terrible story about the ‘gender confused’ male driving the genetic females out of a gym locker room. That’s sad and calls for some real protections for all parties involved.
Still I think sometimes we should be more careful with the dehumanizing posts directed at these people. We’re driving people away faster than DJT can bring them in. We can disagree and comment respectfully and maybe in a few years this person could be looking to walk away from the Bolsheviks in the democrat party. He might be sick or he might be confused. Maybe he was raised wrong, i dont know. I just dont get why we feel so free to shamelessly dehumanize someone we disagree with. That’s what the left does and it doesnt reflect well on them. Doesnt look any better on us. Sadly i’ve been known to do it myself in a bad moment. But that doesnt mean i like it.
What does the bible say?
Be ye angry, and sin not?
That's actually a good question. Johns Hopkins did some research on outcomes for sex-reassignment surgery patients. Sex reassignment surgery did not improve either short term or long term happiness for patients. It is an expensive, ghastly, and highly invasive medical procedure which does the patient no good. It's virtually the very definition of malpractice and quackery.
I don't know if there's a controlled study in which some patients were given sex reassignment surgery, and others were helped to deal with their maladjustment, but there is virtual no evidence that sex-reassignment surgery actually benefits patients. It only benefits activists, and those who wished to be seen as enlightened. The patient is not a consideration.
If the prescription is legitimate, and the reason for administering the medication is valid, the pharmacist has no choice but to fill it. It is not entirely inappropriate for him to ask what the medication is for. The pharmacist is the last check in the sequence of making sure the individual gets the medication they need, and it will not be harmful to them.
Any questions of a private nature should be as confidential as possible, even to the point of pulling the person aside and confirming the goal the medication is to help attain.
Physicians know what medications to use, and what strengths to administer, based on outcomes. Pharmacists know the medications because they have studied their chemical actions and interactions. They are aware of problems and should ask the patient what other medications they are on, if they don’t have that on file.
Baring any reason for not taking the medication surfacing, the pharmacist should fill the script.
It would be interesting to hear the pharmacists side of this.
Sometimes patients get incensed by being asked questions, and blurt out all sorts of private stuff that betrays themselves.
Corporations seem inclined to fire staff rather than take a chance on rankling the public. Just because this guy was fired, it’s no proof positive that he acted inappropriately.
There may be a valid reason he acted the way he did.
When will we stop calling these “Transgender” people the sex that they are not? A man who wants to be a woman is not a woman. Don’t call him a she. If a woman wants to be a man she just can’t be one. She is still a she. Nature can’t be tricked! There is no sex called “transgender!”
In this case, you are just satisfying his unnatural urge and helping his game of playing a girl.
If only HE would.
Chromosomes aren’t confused.
Whew, ugly.
So you have no problem enabling and encouraging sin and perversion?
“So you have no problem enabling and encouraging sin and perversion?”
It’s not my business or yours really.
I’m not today identifying with the taliban who’s business it is to discourage and disable ‘sin and perversion’. I hope you will join me.
“Whew, ugly.”
Yeah i’ll second that.
A pharmacist may challenge the script holder and turn away people if they are not satisfied.
Neither of us being witness to the "event", I can only tell what I learned at the Philadelphia College of Pharmacy & Science... and decades in the field.
I caution against assuming the worst about a professional who may have questioned someone in disguise, trying to purchase regulated medications.
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