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To: FLT-bird
Criminy! Changing “their fugitives” to “slaves” when that is EXACTLY what he meant beyond any dispute is not deceptive.

At least you admit there was some “changing”. However it involved more than just the change you mention.

This is an entirely semantic argument.

Yeah, sure. You are broadbrushing this as “An entirely semantic argument”. Words have meanings. Try to stay focused.

His position was that he supported fugitive slave legislation just as he supported keeping slavery just as he supported providing express protections of slavery via a constitutional amendment. None of these were unusual positions to take at the time.

I can’t help but notice that you are well indoctrinated in Lost Causer-ology. There will be plenty of time to get into that.

Its just uncomfortable for Lincoln cultists and PC Revisionists to admit those were his positions because they are deeply emotionally invested in the myth of the virtuous North.

Do you know what the word “ironic” means? Do you understand what “projection” means? Why do you ignore the rest of what I’ve said about your “quote”. Here, let me show you how your accurate quote looks to me:

I acknowledge the constitutional rights of the States — not grudgingly, but fairly and fully, and I will give them any legislation for reclaiming their fugitive slaves.” FLT-bird

Do you understand connotative vs denotative? What is this “myth of the virtuous North” that you mention? Why is it that all lost causers are so-well versed in this myth?........ and yet I don’t run into it?

689 posted on 07/01/2018 6:48:58 PM PDT by HandyDandy (This space intentionally left blank.)
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To: HandyDandy

At least you admit there was some “changing”. However it involved more than just the change you mention.

Their fugitives to explicitly slaves was the biggest change by far and that was an ACCURATE paraphrase. I can’t believe you’re still trying to argue this 2 days later considering you have no argument.


Yeah, sure. You are broadbrushing this as “An entirely semantic argument”. Words have meanings. Try to stay focused.

Oh I’m focused. Its just that you can’t give us any difference of substance...there was no change of meaning. If one read the entire statement one would see he said “their fugitives” to mean “slaves”. It wasn’t really necessary to read the whole thing. “Slaves” could just be substituted and the reader would get the exact same meaning. No amount of tapdancing on your part is going to change that.


I can’t help but notice that you are well indoctrinated in Lost Causer-ology. There will be plenty of time to get into that.

I can’t help but notice you spout typical PC Revisionist dogma.


Do you know what the word “ironic” means? Do you understand what “projection” means? Why do you ignore the rest of what I’ve said about your “quote”. Here, let me show you how your accurate quote looks to me:

Sure I know. Its what you’ve been doing. You accused me of making an inaccurate statement...of misrepresenting what he said. I didn’t. When I challenged you to show us what the difference was, you couldn’t provide anything substantive.


Do you understand connotative vs denotative? What is this “myth of the virtuous North” that you mention? Why is it that all lost causers are so-well versed in this myth?........ and yet I don’t run into it?

I understand attempts to tapdance and weasel - that’s what you’re trying to do here. You, I and everybody else knows what the myth of the virtuous North is. Sorry, but we’re just not going to go down that particular rabbit hole for 5 days in a row back and forth 50 times like I know you’re dying to. No matter how hard you PC Revisionists try to spin, the facts just don’t support you. Sorry.


690 posted on 07/01/2018 7:05:07 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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