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What should marijuana opponents do when their cause fails? A lesson from Prohibition
The Boston Globe ^ | June 23rd, 2018 | Stephanie Schorow

Posted on 06/23/2018 2:47:03 PM PDT by Mariner

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To: Vision

“You got smart but wish the stupidity and waste of time on the rest of the country with the approval of the Federal government? “

No, I want everyone to have the choice of liberty. (expecting some innane comment on child rape and murder here)

And, I want to end the war on pot that has so enriched every little cop shop in the country with military equipment.


81 posted on 06/23/2018 4:59:10 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

They’ll do what South Park Towelly does !


82 posted on 06/23/2018 5:00:50 PM PDT by Reily
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To: kaehurowing

“It’s hard to argue that the repeal of Prohibition didn’t seariously harm the country.”

It did great harm.

Whiskey is the scourge undermining the essence of the Republic.


83 posted on 06/23/2018 5:01:11 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: exDemMom

“As I said, the use of alcohol is not even comparable. It takes years of heavy drinking (exceeding the BAC considered to be impaired several times a week) to begin to cause equivalent damage to what even “casual” use of marijuana or other schedule one drugs causes.”

First, we’re not talking about “other Schedule I drugs”.

That said, do you have data to support the rest of your contention?

I know of no study that says casual use of marijuana causes more brain damage than chronic drinking. Or, one that suggests permanent damage of any kind.


84 posted on 06/23/2018 5:06:04 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

You say that like it’s a bad thing. Accordingly marijuana proponents are not progressive but regressive. Are not do gooders but do badders. They’re not well intended but they are bad intended.


85 posted on 06/23/2018 5:06:49 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: TheStickman

“One day maybe authoritarian prohibitionists will swallow their pride & consider the possibility they’ve been wrong for all these decades.”

Not a chance.


86 posted on 06/23/2018 5:10:04 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Jim Noble
"If Congress knew in 1917 that the Constitution would have to be amended to grant them authority to pass Federal legislation to regulate or ban alcohol - what changed between 1917 and 1970 to give Congress the authority to regulate or ban marijuana?

I contend that Congress has no such authority.
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The two situations were different with respect to the Constitution.

Anyone interested in learning can look at all of the historical and legal information leading up to and pertaining to the Uniform State Narcotic Drug Act (also see the Hague Convention—very important) and the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970. There were events that led to those laws and cases that resulted from them.


87 posted on 06/23/2018 5:24:55 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: Mariner

Marijuana should not be legally available to anyone under 65.


88 posted on 06/23/2018 5:27:07 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Mariner; shelterguy; NobleFree
shelterguy wrote:
"The argument that pot is harmless is a fantasy."

Mariner replied:
"No rational person attempts to make such an argument. If they try, they should be immediately dismissed as an irrational idiot."

shelterguy wrote:
"I hear it all the time by the stoners."

NobleFree wrote:
"Do you hear it on FR? If not, why bring it up on FR?"

How many examples would you like to see, and would you rather seem them all with quotes instead of only links?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3665120/posts?page=133#133


89 posted on 06/23/2018 5:37:45 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: shelterguy

One of the most harmful effects on addicts is the compulsive lying developed to hide the other disgusting and unhealthy effects of addiction.


90 posted on 06/23/2018 5:40:09 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: familyop

In your personal opinion (not case law), does the Constitution authorize fedgov to sign away States’ 10th Amendment powers via a treaty or international agreement?

If so, which section?


91 posted on 06/23/2018 5:40:19 PM PDT by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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To: NobleFree
Will you be posting evidence - or excuses for not posting evidence?

Oh, puh-leeze. I have posted links many times. I have told you where you can look up the original research publications for yourself. The fact that you remain in denial is not a reflection of me or of the scientific evidence.

As they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

92 posted on 06/23/2018 5:44:31 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Mariner
The implementation of the law has been bumpy, not least because Sessions and the federal Justice Department still have the authority to crack down on cannabis use.

Nope. They may have the authority, but they do not have the funds.

Massachusetts, in 2012 passed their medical marijuana law, which went into effect in 2013.

Included in this year's budget was the Rohrabacher–Blumenauer amendment (originally, Rohrabacher–Farr amendment) which prohibits the Justice Department from spending funds to interfere with the implementation of state medical cannabis laws.

The amendment does not change the legal status of cannabis however, and must be renewed each fiscal year in order to remain in effect.

93 posted on 06/23/2018 5:47:27 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: Mariner

I might add, that Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA) offered the The McClintock-Polis Amendment to this year’s spending bill, which would provide similar prohibitions on the DOJ from spending funds to interefere with states that have passed recreational marijuana laws.


94 posted on 06/23/2018 5:52:11 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: exDemMom
I can tell stories of addiction, too. The addicts I’ve known used a variety of substances. The addiction is the issue, not the specific drug used.

Marijuana is not physically addictive in the same way as tobacco, alcohol, opiods, barbiturates, amphetamines, etc.

Mentally habit-forming, yes. But, addictive? No.

95 posted on 06/23/2018 5:56:41 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: elpadre

The concept of pot as a gateway drug has been thoroughly discredited.


96 posted on 06/23/2018 6:05:02 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

The reason alcohol is such a huge problem is because of “accessibility”. It is available everywhere - stores, bars, liquor cabinets at home and the refrigerator.

I’m not advocating prohibition, just the fact that alcohol is the major problem it is simply because it is legal for adults and accessible to teenagers.

Legalizing pot will create and add to the abuse problem because it will be far more accessible one day, just like alcohol. The stigma of buying an illegal substance will be gone. It will be in the home - far more homes than when it was illegal. Sure, people were buying when illegal, but once legal - it will be far more within reach of kids and people who wouldn’t have tried it when it was illegal. It’s just a fact.

So, legalizing it, or any other drug, only creates more abuse problems. The question is, is legal access to it worth the societal damage it will create? I guess we’re going to find out.


97 posted on 06/23/2018 6:13:23 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: rusty schucklefurd

I would argue that anyone who wants to smoke pot now has access to it.

In 100% of cases.


98 posted on 06/23/2018 6:16:07 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Accordingly marijuana proponents are not progressive but regressive. Are not do gooders but do badders. They’re not well intended but they are bad intended.”

I suspect your hyperbolic sarcasm is intended to make some point.

But it looks, on the surface, like your just trying to deride and ridicule legalization advocates ad hominem.

And that would be the argument of the simple.


99 posted on 06/23/2018 6:22:16 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Re: “I would argue that anyone who wants to smoke pot now has access to it.”

Absolutely! As well as all the additional abuse problems it will create. Personally, I don’t think it’s worth it, but that’s only my opinion.


100 posted on 06/23/2018 6:29:36 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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