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Single-payer system would improve health care economics (barf alert)
stl today ^ | April 29th 2018 | Larry Bowman

Posted on 06/18/2018 2:42:35 PM PDT by Ennis85

One of the top issues for U.S. voters is health care. There is a simple solution most of the world is smart enough to recognize but is lost on us: a single-payer system.

There are two compelling reasons for a single-payer system. The first is the moral argument that health care security is a right for all of us. The second is a little more complicated, and that is health care economics. Sadly, most Americans do not understand this aspect of the health care debate and how it adversely affects them.

Anthem announced its first-quarter profits to be $1.31 billion. The reason for the increase from the previous quarter was lower medical costs. The couple who had their claim denied for the helicopter ambulance might find this interesting as well as the numerous people who had claims for emergency room visits denied.

If you have private insurance, approximately 70 percent of the premiums go to provide health care and 30 percent go to the overhead costs of the insurance company to include profits which they enhance by denying claims like yours. If we had a single-payer system, the overhead costs would be less than 5 percent, and 95 percent would go to actual medical care. The Republican Party, which is owned by the insurance companies, calls this socialism. I call it good economics.

The advocates for insurance companies argue that we cannot pay for this. I would argue that we already are. In fact we pay double what many countries pay for less beneficial outcomes.

Finally, the Republicans passed a huge tax cut for American businesses so that we could better compete with foreign companies. Imagine how much better our companies could compete if they did not have to pay for their employees' health care insurance. Their foreign competitors don't.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: healthcare; obamacare; socialisedmedicine; univeral
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To: Ennis85

When the VA and INS deliver good quality care at a lower price per person, then we can discuss national versions.


81 posted on 06/18/2018 7:55:14 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Ennis85
...a little more complicated, and that is health care economics. Sadly, most Americans do not understand this aspect of the health care debate and how it adversely affects them.

Dem/leftists know that the more expensive that they can make medical care, the more that ordinary peeps will "need" them. They also know the con game of a "free lunch".

Some folks will get up early and stand in long lines for anything "free", except, and sadly, nothing is free. (You, who have gone to free weekends, having only to sit through a timeshare lecture, raise your hands).

And if offered "free" medical care, lots of ordinary, however ignorant and wayy too trusting, peeps will gladly go along, except, nothing is free, and they will be trading away freedoms and wealth for (you guessed it) standing in long, long, long lines (for nothing).

82 posted on 06/18/2018 7:57:59 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...excepto for convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: donna

I learned that some lack the ability to comprehend a simple written statement.


83 posted on 06/18/2018 8:23:48 PM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: lastchance

I bet that happens to you a lot.


84 posted on 06/18/2018 9:17:41 PM PDT by donna (Maricopa County, AZ: 22 percent of felons are illegal aliens)
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To: Ennis85

>>>The first is the moral argument that health care security is a right for all of us<<<

NOPE, try again...


85 posted on 06/18/2018 9:23:55 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The way Liberals carry on, you would think "Mexico" was Spanish for "Auschwitz".)
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To: ps425dc

It was supposed to be saving $2,500 a year according to Lord Obama.

Ended up increasing our Health Care Insurance from $800 a Month in December of 2013 to $2,100 a Month today.


86 posted on 06/18/2018 9:32:20 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The way Liberals carry on, you would think "Mexico" was Spanish for "Auschwitz".)
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To: donna

Well no. It doesn’t. But then again I don’t assume that if a person posts an article it means they endorse it. I rather think it means they thought it would be informative. Even if the conclusions it draws are not supported by a more thorough examination of the issue.

I trust that is not tooooooooo difficult for you to understand. Shall. I. Try. Typing. Slower.?


87 posted on 06/18/2018 9:35:38 PM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: lastchance

It’s clear you misunderstand the intent of FR.


88 posted on 06/18/2018 9:47:03 PM PDT by donna (Maricopa County, AZ: 22 percent of felons are illegal aliens)
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To: donna

Oh give it a bloody rest. How is posting an article that explains an opposing point of view against the intention of FR. Unless we are told we have to agree with it? Plenty of articles that are not in line with the general philosophy are posted here. And members very ably point out the flaws and present logical,rational, and often scathing rebuttals. It is important that we be well informed about what the Left is peddling.


89 posted on 06/18/2018 9:54:57 PM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Ennis85

Liberals never mention the tax burden.

Single payer on the ballot in Colorado in 2016 was rejected by the same voters who went for Hillary Clinton.

Even here the attraction of free health care has limits.


90 posted on 06/19/2018 2:00:29 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A n Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: lastchance
Why are you so angry?

That's YOUR opinion. You're welcome to it. Just stop attacking other FReepers.

91 posted on 06/19/2018 12:09:44 PM PDT by donna (Maricopa County, AZ: 22 percent of felons are illegal aliens)
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A friend of mine is forced to be on Obama care (she's a grandmother raising her granddaughter and full-time caregiver of her disabled husband, and Obama lied to her, she lost her doctor.) She's been diagnosed as having basal cell carcinoma, and has been told that it will take between 2 to 3 months to have it treated, since it's not life threatening (at this time,) and they simply can't fit her in.

Mark

92 posted on 06/19/2018 4:41:28 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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Larry Bowman has a typical, leftist, distorted view of what "a right" is. For something to be "a right," it's something that you're born into, through natural law. It's not something that you have to ask for, or something you demand. If someone has to "give it to you," it's not a right. If they can give you something, they can just as easily withhold it from you.

And if your "right" is something that you demand someone give you, you're imposing your will on them, and in effect, putting them into indentured servitude. So when Larry says that health care is a right, does he mean that the doctor must treat him at no cost? Or is he just saying that he wants something, and that someone else should pay for it?

I wish I could put my thoughts on this topic even a fraction as well as do Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams.

Mark

93 posted on 06/19/2018 4:47:22 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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There is a simple solution most of the world is smart enough to recognize but is lost on us: a single-payer system.

Hey Larry, the USA HAS a single payer health care system, so why don't you start by examining how it's been doing? It's called the VA system. You know, the VA system, where veterans wait months to even be assigned to a primary care physician? A VA system, where people have died waiting for treatment? I'll tell you what. Fix the VA, and dang it, our veterans DESERVE better than what they've been getting, and once it's working perfectly, we can start talking about moving the rest of health care to a single payer system!

Mark

94 posted on 06/19/2018 4:52:11 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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