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Single-payer system would improve health care economics (barf alert)
stl today ^ | April 29th 2018 | Larry Bowman

Posted on 06/18/2018 2:42:35 PM PDT by Ennis85

One of the top issues for U.S. voters is health care. There is a simple solution most of the world is smart enough to recognize but is lost on us: a single-payer system.

There are two compelling reasons for a single-payer system. The first is the moral argument that health care security is a right for all of us. The second is a little more complicated, and that is health care economics. Sadly, most Americans do not understand this aspect of the health care debate and how it adversely affects them.

Anthem announced its first-quarter profits to be $1.31 billion. The reason for the increase from the previous quarter was lower medical costs. The couple who had their claim denied for the helicopter ambulance might find this interesting as well as the numerous people who had claims for emergency room visits denied.

If you have private insurance, approximately 70 percent of the premiums go to provide health care and 30 percent go to the overhead costs of the insurance company to include profits which they enhance by denying claims like yours. If we had a single-payer system, the overhead costs would be less than 5 percent, and 95 percent would go to actual medical care. The Republican Party, which is owned by the insurance companies, calls this socialism. I call it good economics.

The advocates for insurance companies argue that we cannot pay for this. I would argue that we already are. In fact we pay double what many countries pay for less beneficial outcomes.

Finally, the Republicans passed a huge tax cut for American businesses so that we could better compete with foreign companies. Imagine how much better our companies could compete if they did not have to pay for their employees' health care insurance. Their foreign competitors don't.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: healthcare; obamacare; socialisedmedicine; univeral
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1 posted on 06/18/2018 2:42:35 PM PDT by Ennis85
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Single payer does not work and will never work........yet, oblivious idiots continue to push it.........!


2 posted on 06/18/2018 2:46:19 PM PDT by cranked
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Oh Goodie just what we need, having the super awesome Govt decide who lives and who dies..who will be running this system, the Democrat Party..”Hey that person needs a heart transplant but he’s a Republican, just send him home to die”


3 posted on 06/18/2018 2:46:46 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Ennis85
***WARNING***

Don’t believe these Lying Leftist Media outlets that proved themselves during the 2016 campaign to be operatives of the DNC and intentional liars. They are presumed to be lying and we should presume what they publish is a lie. The presumption can only be rebutted with the outlet providing clear and convincing evidence they are not lying.

Why not post the TRUTH about the lies? You don't have to use the liar as the source to post a headline that alerts readers to a published lie. Use yourself as the source or a reasonably reliable source that addresses what the Lying Leftist source is saying. That way you have a headline and a source that your readers can reasonably rely on and they go away more informed about the lie AND the truth.

If this story is true and has some redeeming value, at least get the story from a reasonably reliable source, not from a known Lying Leftist operative posing as a “news” organization. You’ve done the Patriotic Right a service. Much better than the mindless repetition of lying sources and their lying headlines.

If we’re told a lie, don’t repeat it. Neutralize the lie by speaking the truth. Lies aren’t defeated by repeating the lie. Lies are defeated by repeating the truth. We should have our eyes on the prize - in this case, politically, what it takes to recover our Free Constitutional Republic. That should be what we major on and focus on.

IMO, if a poster can't be bothered to do that, then they shouldn't post. If they're going to be bothered to post, do it right. We're on a mission here.

4 posted on 06/18/2018 2:48:17 PM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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Of course.

Nobody is complaining about Healthcare in Cuba or Venezuela .

Nor is Canada or the National Heath Service in Britain in trouble!

Government healthcare for all!


5 posted on 06/18/2018 2:48:44 PM PDT by RedMonqey (" Those who turn their arms in for plowshares will be doing the plowing for those who didnÂ’t.")
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If Uncle Sugar would send me $20,000 a month I’d be doing great.


6 posted on 06/18/2018 2:49:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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Another who knows little.


7 posted on 06/18/2018 2:49:37 PM PDT by mulligan (EeThe)
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On what planet?!


8 posted on 06/18/2018 2:50:55 PM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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Larry Bowman (whoever the heck he is) has just demonstrated that he doesn’t know $4!+ from $4!701@ about either economics or moral imperatives.


9 posted on 06/18/2018 2:51:03 PM PDT by mywholebodyisaweapon (Thank God for President Trump.)
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One of the top issues for U.S. voters is health care.

No, it isn't. It's a lot like climate change -- a big concern for the chablis-and-brie set, but not on the radar for us unwashed peasants.

10 posted on 06/18/2018 2:51:54 PM PDT by IronJack (A)
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Just like Obamacare was supposed to save money. I call BS.


11 posted on 06/18/2018 2:52:15 PM PDT by ilgipper
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Smart enough...if ‘smart’ involves dying of neglect, hunger, and/or thirst. In a hospital.


12 posted on 06/18/2018 2:53:20 PM PDT by relictele
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Only a moron would think Medicare is a noteworthy medical and financial system built by geniuses.


13 posted on 06/18/2018 2:54:41 PM PDT by CodeToad
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Yo Larry! Who do you plan on getting to pay for your “single payer” bull****? Somebody is going to have to pay the bills Spanky.


14 posted on 06/18/2018 2:55:13 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (#NotARussianBot)
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Jan. 3, 2018

LONDON — At some emergency wards, patients wait more than 12 hours before they are tended to. Corridors are jammed with beds carrying frail and elderly patients waiting to be admitted to hospital wards. Outpatient appointments were canceled to free up staff members, and by Wednesday morning hospitals had been ordered to postpone nonurgent surgeries until the end of the month. - NYT


15 posted on 06/18/2018 2:55:38 PM PDT by donna (Maricopa County, AZ: 22 percent of felons are illegal aliens)
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“If we had a single-payer system, the overhead costs would be less than 5 percent, and 95 percent would go to actual medical care.”

No you would have even more manipulation of prices and disbursements in order to meet those percentages but sooner or later real costs would catch up with these false expenditures and the system would start collapsing. At least that is how I see it.


16 posted on 06/18/2018 2:58:34 PM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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There are two compelling reasons for a single-payer system. The first is the moral argument that health care security is a right for all of us.

In Logic 101 in college, I was taught that if you start from a false premise, you can reach a false conclusion with ease.

There is no right to 'health care security'. It is not in any of the governance documents, founding or modern. It only exists in the mind of liberals.

17 posted on 06/18/2018 2:58:50 PM PDT by Lazamataz (What America needs is more Hogg control.)
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To: Jim 0216

Whoa. When Mr. Robinson gives you the big stick to hold I am sure it will be announced for all to see. Meanwhile check yourself.


18 posted on 06/18/2018 3:00:15 PM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Ennis85
There are two compelling reasons for a single-payer system. The first is the moral argument that health care security is a right for all of us. The second is a little more complicated, and that is health care economics.

Wrong on both counts. Rights are given to us by God and impose no obligations on others. I have a right to freedom of speech, one that does not impose an obligation on others to pay for my microphone and sit in my audience. I have a natural right to self-defense, but that does not impose an obligation on others to buy my weapons and ammunition for me. A right to "health care security", as described by big government leftists, carries an implied obligation for productive Americans to pay the medical bills for those who don't choose to work. Nope. That's not a right. That's slavery.

He's also completely wrong on health care economics. Individuals who are over-insured naturally overuse medical care. When everyone is over-insured, care will be rationed using wait times. Those who don't lead productive lives will use the bulk of our medical care, and their demand will expand to fill the care available. Those who work for a living will not have time to sit and wait if the only impediment to usage is the wait time, not when the welfare class can sit there forever, playing on their Obamaphones.

Morality and economics both confirm that consumers need to pay for products and services that they use. The worst thing to happen to medical care in America was the trend toward over-insurance.

19 posted on 06/18/2018 3:00:25 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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You can’t make up for the inefficiency of a bureaucracy that eats up half the money just by existing.


20 posted on 06/18/2018 3:01:23 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death by cults.)
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