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Banks, Credit-Card Companies Explore Ways to Monitor Gun Purchases
The Wall Street Journal ^ | April 30, 2018 | AnnaMaria Andriotis, Telis Demos, and Emily Glazer

Posted on 04/30/2018 3:39:32 AM PDT by abb

Banks and credit-card companies are discussing ways to identify purchases of guns in their payment systems, a move that could be a prelude to restricting such transactions, according to people familiar with the talks.

The discussions are preliminary but could be deeply controversial. Gun-rights groups have long resisted any effort to monitor which Americans own guns; there are federal laws limiting the government’s use of electronic databases of gun sales.

The financial companies have explored creating a new credit-card code for firearms dealers, similar to how they code restaurants, or department stores, according to people familiar with the matter. Another idea would require merchants to share information about specific firearm products consumers are buying, some of the people said.

Such data could allow banks to restrict purchases at certain businesses or monitor them. The talks, which are informal and might not lead to any action, have occurred against the backdrop of the national debate around guns in the wake of the Parkland, Fla., high-school shooting, which left 17 dead.

Even a move to monitor gun purchases would be contentious, highlighting concerns about the use of consumer data and Wall Street’s involvement in a sensitive political area.

“There’s a privacy angle here,” said Adam Levitin, professor of law at Georgetown University. “There’s the slippery slope danger if it’s guns today maybe it is pornography tomorrow and the day after it’s right-wing literature.”

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To: LiveFreeOrDie2001

If you live in my state it makes no difference. It is monitored either way.

BTW I buy everything I can with my costco visa. I got back $1000 cash last year. Other years up to $1500. It pays, even at the supermarket.


21 posted on 04/30/2018 4:27:59 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you)
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To: abb

Just on more small step towards making the sporting life more difficult. We know we can’t make guns illegal but we can make it so difficult you don’t want to exercise the rights you have.


22 posted on 04/30/2018 4:28:33 AM PDT by shoff (Vote Democrat it beats thinking!)
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To: abb

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23 posted on 04/30/2018 4:29:03 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Teach a man to fish and he'll steal your gear and sell it)
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To: abb
Silly banks.

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24 posted on 04/30/2018 4:30:09 AM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: abb
Sounds like a great opportunity to introduce the Privacy in Purchasing act of 2018. It should be illegal for banks to obtain, retain, or otherwise process data from their payment systems in such a way that they can identify what the purpose of the payment was without the explicit permission of the account holder.

Apart from matching payers with payees, there is no need for a bank to be recording the nature of what was exchanged in the transaction. And apart from the convenience of online records, there is no reason a bank has to preserve that data for very long.

Banks will insist that they need the data to catch frauds but there are other ways to do that analysis that do not put banks in the position of spying on people.

The law should also ban discrimination by banks against any buyer or seller of legal products.

Sounds like a project for the ILA.

25 posted on 04/30/2018 4:34:11 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: shoff

There is no ‘sporting life’ specifically mentioned in the constitution.

Though “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness” is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, it is not a law of the land. The 2nd amendment is your best bet.


26 posted on 04/30/2018 4:39:00 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you)
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To: rarestia
What is happening
To help reduce criminal activity and protect your account, we'll be making changes to our policy for cash deposits made at Wells Fargo branches.

Once our policy takes effect in a few weeks, we'll only accept cash deposits into your Wells Fargo Consumer checking or savings accounts if it is coming from an account owner or authorized signer.

What you should know
If a non-account owner needs to deposit money into your account, they can deposit a check, cashier's check or money order, or use a person-to-person payment service like Zelle®.

All customers will need to provide identification to make cash deposits. Questions?
If you have questions, please ask a banker in your branch, or call us at 1-800-869-3557, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Thank you for choosing Wells Fargo.

Wells Fargo Deposit Products Group

27 posted on 04/30/2018 4:39:13 AM PDT by null and void (Urban "food deserts," are caused by urban customers' "climate change" (H/T niteowl77))
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To: Karl Spooner

Yeah. Ponzi dollars


28 posted on 04/30/2018 4:41:35 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you)
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To: abb

As soon as banks stop using armed guards and armored trucks to defend their money and premises we can begin to talk.


29 posted on 04/30/2018 4:44:42 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: rarestia
Its already in place to track your every dime. I tried to buy a muffler at autozone, they wouldn't sell it without my name a phone number. went to advance auto and got the same reply “ what if you have to bring it back?” was the excuse. radio shack lost all my business this way, so have autozone and advance auto.. The beast is coming, soon you won't be able to buy or sell without his mark on your body..
30 posted on 04/30/2018 4:46:58 AM PDT by Ikeon (WhAaat? you got offended by something you read on the intranet?)
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To: rarestia

That’s why I’ve operated on a cash basis since about 1995 and use checks to pay for my utilities. Credit card is only used for large purchases and paid off in 3 months.

I suspect Bloomberg more than Soros for pushing this banking boycott regarding guns. He’s as nutty as Gabbert and her husband Kelly.


31 posted on 04/30/2018 4:48:42 AM PDT by octex
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To: abb

I guess the logical next step is that once they’re identified, they’ll be showing up on credit reports...

Perhaps our side should try to get AHEAD of this crap.


32 posted on 04/30/2018 4:50:57 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's...I just don't tell anyone)
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To: abb

Time for a strong privacy movement in America.

We need some clearinghouses to investigate for and list the most privacy-friendly groups, websites, credit cards, politicians, states, etc.

Then, use and promote them.

As far as cashless, our millenials dislike cash as much as they dislike talking on their phones.


33 posted on 04/30/2018 4:51:27 AM PDT by polymuser (Its terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged today. - Chesterton)
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To: Ikeon

Auto zone fired an employee who was in his car, saw a robbery going on in the store, grabbed his shotgun and went in and stopped the robbery. He violated the no gun policy at autozone.

I drive miles to avoid auto zone.


34 posted on 04/30/2018 4:53:19 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Why a concern? Redlining is illegal. So they’re trying to find ways other than denying loans.


35 posted on 04/30/2018 4:57:22 AM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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To: octex

Checks are being phased out at many banks, and they’re now considered a paid add-on for most new accounts.


36 posted on 04/30/2018 4:57:29 AM PDT by rarestia (Repeal the 17th Amendment and ratify Article the First to give the power back to the people!)
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To: freeandfreezing

I like it! I support the privacy in purchasing act. Where do I sign up?


37 posted on 04/30/2018 4:58:12 AM PDT by FLT-bird (..)
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To: abb

Why is it anynof a banks business what I spend my money on? Last I checked purchasing a firearm is legal.


38 posted on 04/30/2018 4:59:50 AM PDT by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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To: abb

There’s no need to patronize department stores or restaurants anymore.


39 posted on 04/30/2018 5:15:31 AM PDT by Lisbon1940 (No full-term Governors (at the time of election!)
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To: LiveFreeOrDie2001

Why not? I have purchased several on gunbroker with no 3% credit card fees using my Cabelas Black Card that gives me 1% back.

After a few years of purchasing, I have accumulated sufficient Cabela points to purchase guns from them. Last month I picked up a S&W 44 mag for about 200 cash out of my own pocket with my accumulated points.

Cabelas would be the last place I would purchase a firearm outright as prices can be found cheaper elsewhere.


40 posted on 04/30/2018 5:27:58 AM PDT by Man from Oz
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