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Did this ancient civilization avoid war for 2000 years?
Gizmodo ^ | 2014 | Annilee Newitz

Posted on 04/10/2018 3:50:41 AM PDT by Cronos

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To: Cronos

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No the Samaritans were not Hebrew, they were transplants brought in by Shalmanesser to tend the land. You apparently do not believe the word of Yehova.


101 posted on 04/13/2018 1:27:18 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Cronos; VanShuyten; SunkenCiv; blam; BenLurkin; Mr Rogers; All

You are right. I believe I confused Phoenicians and philistines and was meaning Phoenicians. The link below is a very long and fascinating account of the Phoenician history and role in the affairs of the eastern Mediterranean. One thing I had not known was that Phoenicia served as Persia’s navy in a number of ways including wars with Greece.

https://phoenicia.org/history.html

I would expect that aside from building and furnishings that wood was essential for cooking, warm bathing, and if there was a cool season, for house warming. Even brick or adobe houses often use timber as cross pieces in the roof. Looking at images for Harappa, the roofs are long since fallen away, but looking at mud construction for north African cities like Timbuctu, wooden cross beams are evident.

https://www.google.com/search?q=images+timbuktu+buildings&num=50&newwindow=1&safe=off&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjU6tGFl7naAhVCheAKHR1VD_0QsAQIKA&biw=1600&bih=794


102 posted on 04/13/2018 11:53:04 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: editor-surveyor
I believe in the word of God -- you evidently don't -- and science only confirms that God stayed true to His word about the Israelistes: Genetics and the history of the Samaritans: Y-chromosomal microsatellites and genetic affinity between Samaritans and Cohanim.
. the Samaritans were closely related to Cohanim.

This result supports the position of the Samaritans that they are descendants from the tribes of Israel dating to before the Assyrian exile in 722-720 BCE.
GEnetics and the Samaritans - Rosenberg
The book of Chronicles compounds the difference in interpretation of Samaritan history. Recalling that Hezekiah ruled the southern kingdom of Judea from 715 BCE, after the Assyrian victory, the following passage seems to contradict the above statement from II Kings:

And Hezekiah sent to all Israel and Judah and wrote letters also to Ephraim and Manasseh that they should come to the home of the Lord at Jerusalem to keep the Passover.” (II Chronicles 30: 1)

this verse of Chronicles actually implies that King Hezekiah was trying to contact Israelites from Samaria, and that some Samaritans remained in that area after the Assyrian conquest

In fact, II Chronicles 30: 1 may be interpreted as conÀ rming that a large fraction of the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh (i.e., Samaritans) remained in Israel after the Assyrian exile.

103 posted on 04/14/2018 1:36:11 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: gleeaikin
If memory serves, the Aryans' arrival in the Harappan cities was that of a people on the move, and everywhere they went they found empty habitations or whole populations lying dead.
During Alexander the Great's siege of Tyre the Tyrians were out on their island, and basically told him to sod off. He set his engineers to work building two big breakwaters and then filling the center area in, then attacked the city on dry land. The reason the island isn't obvious today is, it hasn't been an island since that siege. The Phoenicians hit their maritime height after the foundation of Carthage; the all-season port had a military core where their considerable fleet of warships could be launched one after the other, one ship every few seconds. As part of the expansion into the Med, Africa had been circumnavigated and colonies planted along the Atlantic coast at least as far south as Cameroon (Mt Cameroon is the only recent active volcano, and its eruption is clearly described in the Pariplus of Hanno). The 'history' given on Phoenicia.org is a scrambled mess, thanks to reliance on the conventional pseudochronology. :^)

104 posted on 04/14/2018 6:32:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Cronos
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You say you believe in the word but then espouse the nonsense of men (as usual)
2Kings 17:

[20] And the LORD rejected all the seed of Israel, and afflicted them, and delivered them into the hand of spoilers, until he had cast them out of his sight.
[21] For he rent Israel from the house of David; and they made Jeroboam the son of Nebat king: and Jeroboam drave Israel from following the LORD, and made them sin a great sin.
[22] For the children of Israel walked in all the sins of Jeroboam which he did; they departed not from them;
[23] Until the LORD removed Israel out of his sight, as he had said by all his servants the prophets. So was Israel carried away out of their own land to Assyria unto this day.
[24] And the king of Assyria brought men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Ava, and from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel: and they possessed Samaria, and dwelt in the cities thereof.
[25] And so it was at the beginning of their dwelling there, that they feared not the LORD: therefore the LORD sent lions among them, which slew some of them.
[26] Wherefore they spake to the king of Assyria, saying, The nations which thou hast removed, and placed in the cities of Samaria, know not the manner of the God of the land: therefore he hath sent lions among them, and, behold, they slay them, because they know not the manner of the God of the land.
[27] Then the king of Assyria commanded, saying, Carry thither one of the priests whom ye brought from thence; and let them go and dwell there, and let him teach them the manner of the God of the land.
[28] Then one of the priests whom they had carried away from Samaria came and dwelt in Bethel, and taught them how they should fear the LORD.
[29] Howbeit every nation made gods of their own, and put them in the houses of the high places which the Samaritans had made, every nation in their cities wherein they dwelt.
[30] And the men of Babylon made Succoth-benoth, and the men of Cuth made Nergal, and the men of Hamath made Ashima,
[31] And the Avites made Nibhaz and Tartak, and the Sepharvites burnt their children in fire to Adrammelech and Anammelech, the gods of Sepharvaim.
[32] So they feared the LORD, and made unto themselves of the lowest of them priests of the high places, which sacrificed for them in the houses of the high places.
[33] They feared the LORD, and served their own gods, after the manner of the nations whom they carried away from thence.
[34] Unto this day they do after the former manners: they fear not the LORD, neither do they after their statutes, or after their ordinances, or after the law and commandment which the LORD commanded the children of Jacob, whom he named Israel;
[35] With whom the LORD had made a covenant, and charged them saying, Ye shall not fear other gods, nor bow yourselves to them, nor serve them, nor sacrifice to them:
[36] But the LORD, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great power and a stretched out arm, him shall ye fear, and him shall ye worship, and to him shall ye do sacrifice.
[37] And the statutes, and the ordinances, and the law, and the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods.
[38] And the covenant that I have made with you ye shall not forget; neither shall ye fear other gods.
[39] But the LORD your God ye shall fear; and he shall deliver you out of the hand of all your enemies.
[40] Howbeit they did not hearken, but they did after their former manner.
[41] So these nations feared the LORD, and served their graven images, both their children, and their children's children: as did their fathers, so do they unto this day.

105 posted on 04/14/2018 12:14:40 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Cronos

Thank you, Cronos, for that explanation about the Sea Peoples. Very informative.


106 posted on 04/15/2018 6:28:41 AM PDT by Ciexyz (I have one issue and it's my economic well-being.)
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To: editor-surveyor
2 Kings 17 was written during the BAbylonian exile so it talks of events in 550 BC

Verse 23 -- "until this day" meaning until 550 BC

verse 24: again, talking of 550 BC, not later

verse 27 talking of 550 BC - and those people are not only the ancestors of the Samaritans -- they very well may be, but the Samaritans also have Cohanim blood

107 posted on 04/15/2018 1:11:02 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

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No it would be impossible for non-hebrews to have Cohenim blood.

The only connection they had was that they had been transplanted to the land.
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108 posted on 04/15/2018 1:21:12 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Cronos

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Josephus also makes it fairly clear in Antiquities 12.261.
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109 posted on 04/15/2018 1:24:08 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

And yet the present day Samaritans HAVE Cohenim blood - genes, haplogroups.


110 posted on 04/15/2018 10:24:38 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: editor-surveyor
Good point about Josephus, he does say that.

Though josephus' account is contradicted by Chronicles as I said about where King Hezekiah invites aid from "the remnants of Israel included Mannasseh and Ephraim"

111 posted on 04/15/2018 10:31:10 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

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There exists today no pure sample from which to determine what is “Cohenim blood.”

The word has always called for the intermingling of all who accept the covenant to be called Israel. That is the Bride.
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112 posted on 04/16/2018 7:21:39 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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