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To: DiogenesLamp
you can resolve this conundrum for me by giving me an example of a lie that Ted Cruz told.

Accusing Trump of supporting single-payer using out of context remarks of Trump saying something positive about single payer in Canada and Scotland...

"As far as single-payer, it works in Canada. It works incredibly well in Scotland."

and then Trump added, referring to the US,
"It could have worked in a different age, which is the age you're talking about here."

Cruz took this and tried to paint Trump as supporting single payer in the US.

He lost me at that point.
It wasn't a ploy that a Christian principled conservative would have used.
It was the tactic of a typical slimy politician.

Originally I had supported Cruz for President,
then when I saw how much more effective Trump was at attracting folks to the MAGA agenda
I began to see Cruz as a balance to Trump on a Trump/Cruz ticket.

His lie about Trump opened my eyes to his nature and I cast him off.
Perhaps he could still do good in the Senate but my hopes for him doing greater things vanished.

Here's someone else's take on it...

Ted Cruz twists Donald Trump's talk about health care, 'socialized' medicine

318 posted on 03/23/2018 8:42:01 AM PDT by kanawa (Trump Loves a Great Deal)
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To: kanawa
Accusing Trump of supporting single-payer using out of context remarks of Trump saying something positive about single payer in Canada and Scotland...

That's a pretty weak nail on which to hang the charge that "Cruz is a liar."

To be fair, what sort of conservative would say anything nice about socialized health care? I doubt many if any would say such a thing. I think his purpose in mentioning it was to point out that Trump should not be regarded as a "conservative", which is exactly what someone should have pointed out if they were running against him in a primary.

Of course he has governed much more conservatively than our previous "conservative" Presidents, and we have learned by now not to pay so much attention to what he says, and to pay more attention to what he does.

During the primaries, we didn't know this.

then when I saw how much more effective Trump was at attracting folks to the MAGA agenda

Me too. I am now so very glad that Trump won the primary, because I don't think Cruz could have won the General, nor could he have been so successful at governing in a conservative manner. Trump knows how to fight.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/25/ted-cruz/cruz-invents-trump-statement-socialized-medicine/

I don't regard "Politifact" as an honest source. They are very liberal, and all their management is very liberal. I see their argument boils down to "Because we have not found the statement that *WE* interpret means the same thing as to which Cruz is referring, it must not exist."

That's not the same as proving that something similar was not said, and they do admit that Trump said "Everybody's got to be covered." and they admit that at one time Trump supported "single payer."

Claiming that Cruz's interpretation of what Trump said is a "lie", and calling him a liar because it disagrees with what other people thought Trump meant is a pretty weak basis to claim he is lying.

If the term "liar" is so loosely defined, then I don't think any of us can survive this standard being applied to us.

336 posted on 03/23/2018 9:26:33 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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