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... A big unknown in the original Drake Equation is the average lifetime of a civilization during which they might be available to communicate with us. This window might be very short, especially if technological species are typically replaced by machines. Or it could be very long.

Reframing the question makes longevity a moot point. Frank and Sullivan ask: What is the chance that we are the only technological species and always have been? If we put the question this way, the Drake Equation boils down to A = Nast * fbt, where A is the number of technological species that have ever formed over the history of the observable universe, Nast are all the astronomical unknowns (which we now have a much better handle on than we did in 1961), and fbt are the biological unknowns, which are still many—including the fraction of suitable planets on which life actually appears, the fraction of those planets on which intelligent life emerges, and the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space.

Based on recent exoplanet discoveries, Frank and Sullivan assume that one-fifth of all stars have habitable planets in orbit around them. This leads them to conclude that there should be other advanced technological civilization out there, unless the chance for developing such a civilization on a habitable planet in the observable universe is less than 1 in 1024 (a 1 with 24 zeros!). For our own Milky Way galaxy, the odds of being the only technologically advanced civilization are 1 in 60 billion. Thus, it’s very likely that other intelligent, technologically advanced species evolved before us. Even if only one in every million stars hosts a technologically advanced species today, that would still yield a total of about 300,000 such civilizations in the whole galaxy.

The Archilles’ heel of these statistical estimates is of course the biological uncertainties; Earth is still the only planet where we know life exists. The appearance of life may be extremely unlikely, and so might the evolution of technology. After all, there are many intelligent species on our planet, including dolphins, octopi, apes, parrots, and elephants, but only once in 4.6 billion years has a technologically advanced species evolved. And life cannot have appeared in the very early Universe until heavier elements produced by the explosions of many supernovas became abundant.

Still, Frank and Sullivan think their 1 in 1024 estimate constitutes a “pessimism line”—a lower bound on the probability that one or more technological species has evolved over time. And that’s good news for SETI, even if it doesn’t help us know where to look.

Link: https://www.airspacemag.com/daily-planet/odds-were-only-technologically-advanced-species-universe-are-extremely-low-180958975/


47 posted on 03/17/2018 5:50:15 PM PDT by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost

Yeah I read that article!
Good article! Thanks for sharing !
You’re more industrious then I am on this topic!


63 posted on 03/17/2018 6:24:45 PM PDT by Reily
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost
After all, there are many intelligent species on our planet, including dolphins, octopi, apes, parrots, and elephants, but only once in 4.6 billion years has a technologically advanced species evolved.

This is the reason why a quest for other intelligent life in the Universe will fail, at least in the short term for perhaps 100,000 years. Isaac Asimov and other science-fiction authors have written stories of humans seeking intelligent life out there, and failing. The odds are truly against it. Not just life, but intelligent life existing elsewhere (and discoverable) at this mere sliver of time. We're casting fish hooks into rain puddles seeking big fish.

71 posted on 03/17/2018 7:31:25 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost
[...] the Drake Equation boils down to A = Nast * fbt, where A is the number of technological species that have ever formed over the history of the observable universe [...] Even if only one in every million stars hosts a technologically advanced species today, that would still yield a total of about 300,000 such civilizations in the whole galaxy [since it formed!].

In all of your musings, you've completely underplayed the importance of those other civilizations existing at the same time as ours if we are to be able to contact them. Possibly, advanced (e.g., space-faring) civilizations might have a life-expectancy of only, say, a thousand years. Advanced civilizations might routinely destroy themselves due to warfare, experimenting with artificial Black Holes - or they may simply become totally decadent, fail to reproduce, or turn inwards ("Virtual Reality").

Regards,

85 posted on 03/18/2018 1:53:30 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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