[marktwain]

A lot of wars happen when both sides think they will win.

Some wars happen because of pure aggression by one side. The other has no choice: fight or die.

In the First U.S. Civil war, both sides thought they would win and had significant advantages.

It ended with horrible losses for both sides, but the South was mostly destroyed. The North used a lot of immigrant soldiers to take down the South, and the Northern elite arranged things so they suffered relatively little.

I like Kurt, but he ignores the potential for outside militaries to intervene.

Do you think Obama or successors would have any compunction on calling for NATO or Chinese “peacekeepers” to pacify U.S. rural areas?

There would be lots of Mexicans willing to fill ranks in the U.S. Army and Marines, if it came to that, for generous benefits and a promise of a piece of rural America confiscated from conservative “rebels”.

It would be no cake walk. It would be horrible and deadly. Millions would die.

It is our job to convince others, especially the Left, that this is so.

[farming pharmer]

The North used a lot of immigrant soldiers to take down the South, and the Northern elite arranged things so they suffered relatively little.

I like Kurt, but he ignores the potential for outside militaries to intervene.

Do you think Obama or successors would have any compunction on calling for NATO or Chinese “peacekeepers” to pacify U.S. rural areas?

There would be lots of Mexicans willing to fill ranks in the U.S. Army and Marines, if it came to that, for generous benefits and a promise of a piece of rural America confiscated from conservative “rebels”.

You beat me to it. Schlicter ignores the effects of a probable outside intervention. The U.N. from the east, Chinese from the west, Russians from the north and Mexican narco-terrorist gangs from the south will pose an invasive force that may overwhelm the red-state advantage.

I would be especially wary of the Chinese. They could put millions of men on three fronts (Canada, California and Mexico) in short order. Baring the use of tactical nuclear weapons (which isn't going to happen) the communists could own the western half of the United States very quickly.

[wbarmy]

Do you think Obama or successors would have any compunction on calling for NATO or Chinese “peacekeepers” to pacify U.S. rural areas?

And the introduction of foreign troops would invigorate and enrage the "insurgents" beyond anything the Democrats could have done themselves. You are correct in that it would be bloody, and there would be no prisoners taken.

[qaz123]

If my nephews are any indication of the mindset held by your common, combat Soldier or Marine, there won’t be much of military for the Mexican’s to join. Yes, some of the support folks might stay, but the guys toting M4s are headed home. And the one’s that, might show up, will have to be trained equipped and told to fight for a foreign country, that they have no allegiance to and will subsequently be slaughtered, by the very same guys that they are replacing.

Additionally, all those guys that are headed home, will be bringing a lot of stuff with them. So, thinking that they’ll have warehouses full of ammo, food, equipment at their disposal, will be quickly disproven when they head to the ASPs and find out there’s no more ammo, grenades, mortars, TOWs, Javelin’s, Claymores, etc etc.

[Jim Noble]

Governor Brown is already negotiating with China (allegedly about trade issues only).

California presents a special problem, socially, politically, and militarily. Unlike any other state, with the possible exception of Maryland, they have managed to radicalize a majority to the point that secession is a possibility. And in the case of California, especially if Hawaii were neutralized first, foreign involvement is virtually a given.

I don’t think normal Americans are up to speed about what it will take to retain California against her will, and how soon we have to start to prepare for war.

[sergeantdave]

“There would be lots of Mexicans willing to fill ranks in the U.S. Army and Marines...”

The Mexican army can’t even control small towns in their state of Guerrero. The people there formed local, armed militias to protect themselves. How would a Mexicanized army control small towns in America?

Check it out:

Mexican Vigilantes Stand Up Against Crime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XiSnCt9fDc

[Alas Babylon!]

Do you think Obama or successors would have any compunction on calling for NATO or Chinese “peacekeepers” to pacify U.S. rural areas?

It would cause more problems than it would solve.

Many Confederate states didn't join until Lincoln called for 75,000 volunteers to "crush the rebellion".

How many of those on the fence would welcome their own government having communist soldiers/foreign soldiers killing Americans in America?

I'd wager not many.

"A rifle behind every blade of grass."
Admiral Yamamoto, 1941

That's what the commies and foreigners would have to contend with.

However...

Your major point about not being complacent is still true.

[Georgia Girl 2]

With regard to the govt forces Mr. GG2 always says “they gotta come out of that armored truck sometime”.