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To: SJackson

Here is what you do to deprive some one of constitutional rights. You arrest them and jail them for a violation of the law. I don’t see cruz violating any law what so ever until he walked into that school and stated shooting. He was not under a restraining order. We dont put people in jail for being treated on mental issues the last time I checked. There was no criminal complaint. We don’t take your rights away because some one sees something ILLEGAL and calls the cops.
The denial of civil rights in this country takes a judicial determination FIRST not after the deprivation in criminal matters unless there is probable cause and fear of attack on a police officer. There is civil commitment but both require notice , hearing trial by jury unless waived. Both require right to counsel and free counsel if you are indigent. This is 8th grade civics basic stuff people. And you better be damned glad these protections exist. We don’t let some liberal shrink act as judge jury and executioner under our constitution by putting you on a list. We never have and we never will. This bastard should have been shot to death by an armed and trained teacher instead of walking around in a gun free zone. Trump got that dead right


146 posted on 02/28/2018 3:37:50 PM PST by raiderboy ( "...if we have to close down our government, weÂ’re building that wall" DJT)
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To: raiderboy
Putting a firearm to someone's head is a crime.

Bringing bullets might well be a crime, were it a firearm, even without bullets, it would have been. Both state and federal, a federal felony.

The biggest issue was his state of mind. Like it or not police, school officials, and the medical community have the right to request a mental health hearing. Were this a sexual threat to someone underage instead of a death threat, they would have been required to report it under law. At that point the system progresses. He's held, voluntarily or involuntarily (that's committed) for 2 or 3 days to determine if he's a danger to self or others. If the answer is no, it's over. If it's yes, he loses his gun rights. Ultimately the shrinks do make the decision, but only if the judge follows it. IMO, the problem with that is that it's a potentially lifetime ban with no recourse. But the process is lawful and provides due process. As well as loss of the firearm, maybe temporarily, and confinement up front. I argee teachers should be allowed to carry, but that's a state and district issue.

207 posted on 02/28/2018 4:26:58 PM PST by SJackson (The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a replacement)
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