Posted on 02/23/2018 1:05:52 AM PST by familyop
On Thursday morning, Trump tweeted support for background checks, new age limits on some gun purchases and the end of the the sale of bump stocks.
I will be strongly pushing Comprehensive Background Checks with an emphasis on Mental Health. Raise age to 21 and end sale of Bump Stocks! Congress is in a mood to finally do something on this issue - I hope!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 22, 2018
“Legislative proposals that prevent law-abiding adults aged 18-20 years old from acquiring rifles and shotguns effectively prohibits them for purchasing any firearm, thus depriving them of their constitutional right to self-protection,” NRA spokeswoman Jennifer Baker said.
“We need serious proposals to prevent violent criminals and the dangerously mentally ill from acquiring firearms. Passing a law that makes it illegal for a 20-year-old to purchase a shotgun for hunting or an adult single mother from purchasing the most effective self-defense rifle on the market punishes law-abiding citizens for the evil acts of criminals.”
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
This is argument is how the ACLU and the ABA has frozen out the professional community from isolating the seriously mentally ill and the deranged.
The Cruz guy was a known danger to others and nothing was done.
“Just who is to say who is Mentally Ill”?
This is argument is how the ACLU and the ABA has frozen out the professional community from isolating the seriously mentally ill and the deranged.
The Cruz guy was a known danger to others and nothing was done.
Bingo! This is a deal breaker for me. Old man Bush thought he could win without the NRA and he found out the hard way. Slick Willie thought he could beat gun owners over the head and lost congress for his efforts. Tread carefully Mr. Trump and GOPE...
Agreed on bump-stocks. Some people who really like them will disagree and feel betrayed, but maybe they should inspect these words closely.
Attention to good marksmanship is distracted for a person using one. They leave a little more chance for putting rounds over the backstop and a little more chance of a fumble. And from experience on Army ranges, they would be nearly always useless.
Real automatic fire isn’t much good except in extremely rare instances for very close range defense, when no innocent bystanders are present (firefights in very unusually heavy concealment like jungle—not our terrain, clearing, that is, exterminating rooms in urban warfare, etc.). It’s more often used by soldiers by accident than on purpose on ranges.
Automatic fire for those of us who’ve used it on ranges is really boring and most often not as effective. A soldier will most often use it in short bursts on a range, like using a shotgun (muzzle rise, scatter). Hitting silhouettes with semi-auto fire becomes more interesting and reallly quick.
To sum it up, bump-stocks are probably a pretty neat toy, momentarily, for those dying to experience auto fire. I would expect that excitement to fade quickly. They add a little more unnecessary danger to firing, and they’re useless for serious defense and even offense.
What’s next, fidget stocks, sending an AR spinning round and round real fast all by themselves, firing in all directions? Heh. Okay...hyperbole and slippery slope there. Anyway,..silly thought.
On background checks, too many people have been denied their Second Amendment right because of errors in the system with reasonable remedies unavailable. There’s no sure or efficient system for correcting a federal error involving firearms possession (good citizen put on no-fly list, veterans denied arbitrarily by clerks or psychs.,...). Some people have doubtless been made defenseless in dangerous situations, and such a systemic problem could be used to violate the rights of many.
Solution? Solve the problems with people using drugs or otherwise mentally impaired *locally*( (”incompetence”—goes way back). The *state and/or local governments* should take care of those problems while providing ways for any affected people to resume their rights after getting off the drug, getting mentally healthy or otherwise getting themselves clean.
Agreed on the age restriction. *No* age restriction against people who are 18-20 years old. First, they have the Second Amendment right. They have a right to defend themselves. There’s no sense in exposing them to thugs who know their age.
Violating any group’s Second Amendment right for the sake of compromise or social spite would be wrong. Violating it would turn yet another group against conservative political efforts in general.
What I was trying to say about bump-fire stocks, is that they are not a part of a “well regulated” American with respect to the Second Amendment. Equipment that is “well regulated” is more accurate and more effective at what it can be used for.
If our U.S. military forces’ heavy weapons somehow didn’t prevent a foreign invasion on our country, rest assured, that bump-fire stocks would be banned for those of us enlisting and taking orders (yes, from our government and some of our more experienced neighbors) to defend our country. We would not want to make the duty of our next General Washington more difficult than it would already inherently be (see couch potatoes, ragbags, blowhards punished,...).
I hope this is just wishful thinking. Stick by the NRA, President Trump.
Might seem morbid humor but it was in response to a morbidly “we’re all doomed because the “news” says Trump’s gonna screw us all - we’re doomed, doomed I tell You” type post - some folks need calming down.
You sound like the Snowflakes and now you're seeing brown spots - might need an anti-psychotic to go with the Valium.
Where’s that winning?
The wall that hasn’t been built or funded?
Trump’s proposed gas tax hikes for infrastructure?
His stated desire to give illegals amnesty?
The failure of his subordinates to indict or prosecute any of the Clinton and Obama cartels for their numerous felonies?
With regard to guns, his tweets in favor of:
Banning bump stocks?
Raising the age to own rifles to 21?
Increasing background checks in a way that creates a de facto national gun registry?
It’s not panic. It’s recognizing Trump is a populist who does not understand or care about the Second Amendment...and who has failed to deliver on many things he has promised.
Apparently he’s too busy playing 5D chess for you sycophants who refuse to hold him accountable.
The wall that hasn’t been built or funded?
Trump’s proposed gas tax hikes for infrastructure?
His stated desire to give illegals amnesty? The failure of his subordinates to indict or prosecute any of the Clinton and Obama cartels for their numerous felonies?
With regard to guns, his tweets in favor of:
Banning bump stocks?
Raising the age to own rifles to 21? Increasing background checks in a way that creates a de facto national gun registry?
It’s not panic. It’s recognizing Trump is a populist who does not understand or care about the Second Amendment...and who has failed to deliver on many things he has promised.
Apparently he’s too busy playing 5D chess for you sycophants who refuse to hold him accountable.
BS. What a total load of crap. Go crawl back into your #NeverTrump hole.
The wall is slowly coming to fruition, and that chore depends majorly on Congress. But you already knew that. So you can take that issue up with your Congressman.
"Proposed gas tax hikes?" Oh, my, the sky is falling! Half of these points you're wringing your hands about are just things that have been mentioned or suggested—not anywhere close to being implemented. It's called being a politician, and floating ideas. There are not even any bills in Congress for any of this stuff.
How about paying attention to what actually has ben accomplished—which is a heck of a lot, and none of which you care to mention, because it doesn't suit your Trump-bashing.
"Desire to give illegals amnesty"? Again, more utter garbage. The President proposed a pathway to citizenship for a relatively small number of a certain category of immigrants. And the "pathway to citizenship" is lengthy, arduous, and takes several years. So it's just more hysterical extremist pearl-clutching.
Moving right along. "The failure of his subordinates to indict or prosecute any of the Clinton and Obama cartels for their numerous felonies?" If you can't see that this is starting to happen, you're totally oblivious. Yes, the President has been in office for a whole year. So sorry he hasn't been able to meet your ridiculously unrealistic need for instant gratification. A process to do what you're wishing for is extremely arduous, and must be done with great deliberation—not on your absurdly abbreviated time schedule. A process like that takes years, or you haven't been paying attention in the last several decades.
"Banning bump stocks?" The NRA itself has supported this! How terribly "extremist" of the President!
"Raising the age to own rifles to 21"? In many states kids can't drink until they're 21. I think the age should be uniform for voting, drinking, being drafted, etc. but 21 isn't out of the realm of reason, given what we know about biological development. Such legislation is, at best, months down the road. And you act as if it's already on the President's desk to be signed.
"Increasing background checks in a way that creates a de facto national gun registry?" That's just flat out fear mongering. Background checks could clearly be improved without creating a national gun registry. National gun registration simply won't happen from this President, and you know it.
It’s not panic. It’s recognizing Trump is a populist who does not understand or care about the Second Amendment...and who has failed to deliver on many things he has promised.
No, it is panic. Abject, hysterical panic. The same panic we've heard all along the way for Gorsuch, Tax-breaks, immigration, trade, the Paris Climate Agreement, Syria, and on and on.
In every case, the #NeverTrump crowd goes absolutely hysterical, and in every case, their terror is proven to be totally unjustified.
Apparently he’s too busy playing 5D chess for you sycophants who refuse to hold him accountable.
Sycophants, my ass! We're in the midst of a civil war here, and if you see fit to aid and abet the Enemy with ridiculous hysteria which has been refuted for a year straight, then please go do it elsewhere.
The President has been held accountable all along the way, and he's done great so far.
As for what "D" chess President Trump is playing, all I can conclude is that it's a least a dimension or two beyond what you are apparently able to perceive.
The President—a man who never ran for anything before, and with no prior political experience—has been in office all of one year, 25% of one term—and you're griping about him not having delivered on many things he has promised? You do realize he's not a dictator, don't you? You do realize he has to work with the federal legislature as constituted?
Your bleating is absolutely ridiculous, and it's clear how disingenuous you're being.
President Trump has earned our loyalty and trust a dozen times over at this point—as well as the benefit of the doubt.
So take your Tokyo Rose routine elsewhere, because all you're doing is undermining morale with patently hysterical fear-mongering—self-indulgent #NeverTrump garbage...
I voted for Trump, i.e. your #NeverTrump claim is a load of B.S.
Calling out his policy failures and broken promises to conservatives is not aiding the enemy. That’s the same schtick we got for failing to kiss Romney and McCain’s backside...or buy into W’s misnamed compassionate conservatism.
Trump hasn’t earned loyalty. This isn’t a dictatorship. He deserves to be challenged every time his populism slips into advocacy for left-wing causes (e.g. gun control and amnesty).
It isn’t playing 5D chess for him to advocate for those positions. It’s B.S.
And you’re an unquestioning sycophant for defending the indefensible.
I didn't defend the gun control proposals. I'm simply saying he's trying to thread a political needle at the moment, because the Left which has picked up some momentum on the heels of this tragedy in Parkland, Florida.
When all is said and done, there will be little or nothing to complain about as far as gun legislation—a pattern which has been borne out on nearly every issue.
And if you think the President hasn't earned some loyalty and trust by now, then you're being willfully blind. And "this isn't a dictatorship"? What's that supposed to mean in the context of having earned loyalty and trust? You're challenging the President failures, but completely ignoring the good that he has done—which is quite substantial.
Simply because the President is more in line with the vast majority of the People—instead of the extreme right—on the DACA issue doesn't make the proposal "amnesty" a multi-year, multi-step pathway to citizenship isn't "amnesty". You seem to be in that school that seeks to make the perfect the enemy of the good.
You didn't cite onepositive thing in your rant—just lopsided exaggeration and pearl-clutching. At least I'm willing to contrast the good and the bad. No such balance from you.
You must have really had to hold your nose to vote for Donald Trump in November 2016. He's far from perfect—but magnitudes better than anyone else that could have won.
And it is playing 5D chess for the President to give some lip service to these gun proposals. We'll see where things shake out once any actual legislation hits his desk. But given the outcome on virtually every issue thus far, I'm predicting that your apocalyptic projections will not materialize. Maybe someday you'll understand that shrewd politicians actually have to be politicians sometimes. In fact, I've never seen one who didn't have to be disingenuous on occasion.
Given President Trump's accomplishments thus far—in only one year—he has earned loyalty and trust. Ultimately, your gratuitously dismissive attitude regarding the President's bona fide accomplishments, and apparent obsession with only the negative does aid and abet the Enemy, inasmuch as it's completely lacking in balance. The glass is half empty with Trump for you. I get it. For me, it's definitely half full.
A lot of the #NeverTrump crowd ultimately voted for Trump, so you having done that doesn't mean you're not a #NeverTrumper. You'll certainly resemble a #NeverTrumper until such time as you have something good to say about the man. You seem pretty reluctant to do so, judging by your flippant dismissal of his accomplishments thus far...
See someone and adjust your meds before you hurt yourself.
Project much? How’s reality slapping you upside the face today as Trump goes pro-gun grab?
Still in denial?
Trump is a POPULIST.
He is not a conservative.
Once you understand this key issue, maybe you can extract your nose from his ass long enough to see that he can and will sell out conservatives in a heartbeat if it serves his political purposes. Heck, maybe he can package it as “Compassionate Conservatism 2.”
So, his pro-gun grab hectoring of Republicans today was just “lip service?”
No, it’s the real Donald Trump. Opportunistic populist. Not a conservative.
Cut him slack for doing the same types of sell-outs we saw from W? I won’t.
When he does something conservative or libertarian, I praise it.
However, he’s rapidly moving to the mythical center, selling out the base as a means to build a broader coalition. He’s counting on conservatives having nowhere to go as the lesser of two evils strategy is applied in 2020.
Gosh - so sorry we didn’t get Hillary - then you could whine and moan with lots of company.....
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