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1 posted on 02/22/2018 5:06:35 PM PST by SMGFan
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I am fine with background checks.................always


31 posted on 02/22/2018 5:36:54 PM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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32 posted on 02/22/2018 5:38:44 PM PST by bitt (We dont need an electric chair, we need electric bleachers.)
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This has huge privacy (4A) implications. It’s denying rights without adjudication (due process), based on what is supposed to be patient-doctor privileged information. There is nothing indicating what illnesses rise to the level of justifying rights denial. This amounts to testifying against self (5A): go for help, lose rights; many will remain untreated to avoid new consequences. And so on.

SCOTUS will strike it down, in a very ugly case.


35 posted on 02/22/2018 5:41:13 PM PST by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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Trump is spending a little too much time trying to please the media instead of valuing the millions of law abiding gun owners and their constitutional rights. I don’t care about what the media thinks, I care about the 2nd amendment and the over 100 million gun owners who value it.


41 posted on 02/22/2018 5:43:36 PM PST by ScottfromNJ
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It’s also nice to note: Obama would have just said “I am going to do this” while Trump says he “strongly push for this to happen”

Trump understands how a President is supposed to operate. Obama thought the whole country was simcity with him at the keyboard.


42 posted on 02/22/2018 5:44:17 PM PST by Celerity
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Yes, I just checked.

For semi-automatic weapons, Trump wants the mandatory age to be 21.

Age limit doesn’t apply to other guns.


44 posted on 02/22/2018 5:48:10 PM PST by Conserv
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Not sure what this "feel good" legislation will accomplish. Actually I'm pretty sure it will accomplish nothing.


47 posted on 02/22/2018 5:52:07 PM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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It's stupid to concede any infringements of our 2nd Amendment rights because of FBI and local law enforcement incomptence.

Don't ban automatic weapons... ban the FBI.

Don't restrict gun rights of citizens... restrict gun rights of worthless Florida LE personnel.

Consequences for people who do bad things.

As for this nut.. kill him. He was sane enough to plot this and escape arrest... therefore he was sane and it was premeditated. Kill his ass.

49 posted on 02/22/2018 5:54:35 PM PST by caddie (Tagline: Tag, you're it.)
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HIPPA laws prevent almost all communication between a healthcare provider and the courts. We also have a problem where the medical diagnosis for mental incompetence and danger to society is far broader than the legal definition, which allows far too many mentally ill people to purchase guns.


50 posted on 02/22/2018 5:55:02 PM PST by LukeL
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Sold us out .
Blow the WH phone lines off .

What a idiot .

I knew Trump was not to be trusted !

Like a age restriction was a real issue in Vegas or Orlando .

Good bye Midterms !!


56 posted on 02/22/2018 6:03:10 PM PST by ncalburt
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Ok fine. He is only in office because of Putin’s hacking.

Why should I cover his six if he’s going to do this to me?


79 posted on 02/22/2018 6:32:09 PM PST by The Toll
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No guns for Enemedia and gun grabbers.

But really, this talk is BS.


87 posted on 02/22/2018 6:39:16 PM PST by grumpygresh (When will Soros be brought to justice? Crush the vermin, crush the Left.)
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Raise age to 21...

Then the voting age needs to be raised to 21 as well because if a person isn't mature enough to own a gun until then they aren't mature enough to vote until then either.
The age of military volunteers needs to also be raised to 21.

You want adult children? FINE! Treat 'em like children.

88 posted on 02/22/2018 6:40:17 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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Mental Health covers a lot of territory and a lot of it involves non violent, non aggressive, conditions. The change needs to come in dealing with persons in which family, LEO, and professionals treating a person they know are a risk to others and themselves.

You can literally sign for life ending measures for a family member but you can not sign for them to obtain mental health help.

When "The Enlightened" back in the late 1960's - early 70's sprung open the doors of mental facilities with no discernment and put persons out into society whom not only can not function or care for themselves but in significant numbers are a risk to self and others. They turned the problem over to LEO's to handle. This was the beginnings of Street People aka chronically homeless in America. Their arrest address will often be a rescue mission or homeless shelter.

Any bets the first target of the Liberal Gun Grabbers will be going after PTSD patients? In general they are very low risk as far as harming others. I've known PTSD vets I would hunt or go on a range with any time and feel safe doing so.

The LIBS will have to be watched closely on this so they don't go around creating list. Yes some patients and persons with severe behavioral issues should not have firearms. The most ironic thing to me is in my own community one guys issues went on for almost three decades. The local county sheriffs office in his home county had stacks of reports of threats etc. They had dealt with him for years since he was booted out of basic training. The adjoining county a few years back hired him as a teacher. I kid you not. His own family warned that school system about him but that county did not even check his county of residence before hiring him. He was finally told by the principal after school hours he would not be re-hired the next year. No LEO's present despite his history at other employers of threats. He left and came back and shot her and the assistant. Neither were fatal injuries but one is in a wheelchair.

The guys family had tried for years to get him help as well as protect themselves from him. The got no help. The Liberals policies prevented it from happening as their hands were tied decades ago.

99 posted on 02/22/2018 6:49:11 PM PST by cva66snipe
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Trump is trying to stop school shootings. He said so at least a dozen times at today's session. He is not posturing when he says that. He believes he can. Is that Quixotic? Are school shootings inevitable? Yes, but not likely in the armed teacher states. Those will be a profound examnple. Trump said arm the teachers for about 20 minutes in the session today. He said it so many times I even thought he was getting repititious.

That's the chess game, just ordinary chess. Not 4-d, that's a red herring. Nor is he tossing the 2A. That's another red herring, although he believes it's ok for him to chip away at it.

104 posted on 02/22/2018 6:52:31 PM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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With Trump I have learned to just wait and see what actually happens.


105 posted on 02/22/2018 6:52:42 PM PST by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our one and only true hope.)
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Slippery slope Mr President.

All it will take is another Obama in the whitehouse to claim everyone has a mental disorder. For instance being a conservative is considered mental illness by those on the left already.

You are leaping to a solution that will not do one thing.

That boy never should've been out on the streets in the first place with the laws we have on the books now.
106 posted on 02/22/2018 6:54:45 PM PST by ssfromla
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...with an emphasis on Mental Health...

Who gets to make the decision?

111 posted on 02/22/2018 7:01:28 PM PST by Road Warrior ‘04 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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This is a no-no, Donald. People have triedd to put a scale on mental health, but it has never worked.

It can be determined if one has pneumonia (antibiotics for the pneumococcal form) or measles, or epilespsy seizures requiring anti-seizure medication, or a broken arm, or cancer type and stage. But the state and quality of one's mind and emotions iss not so easily measured or predictable. Unless one has been comitted to a mental hospital, or has a criminal record of unlawful behavior (indicating some degree of departing from a tolerable range of actions), leave the background checks alone.

However, since most of the shootings have been a result of alcohol or psychoactive drug intake, make the personal sales to, ownership of, or or personal carrying of dangerous weapons a felony if one's BCA is greater than 0.1% or if ones mentality is dependent on psychoactive medication. That's measurable, quantitatively.

May be worth a thought, I dunno if it would fly. But "psychiatric" evaluation score? No. Don't go there.

113 posted on 02/22/2018 7:09:03 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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Hardly a word about looking at the psychotic drugs that virtually all of these shooters are on and that are connected to 20 some vets daily taking their own life.

Wonder why such silence on this?


117 posted on 02/22/2018 7:17:02 PM PST by Captain7seas (UNexit. Make America Great Again!)
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