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Hope to find out how these plaintiffs want to allocate EVs.

By Congressional district and bonus to winner of the state? Might work in a small state but chaos in larger states , districts closely divided.

1 posted on 02/21/2018 2:40:45 PM PST by SMGFan
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Nebraska had two EV (for the Senators) for the Statewide vote winner. Each of the three EV (for the House Reps) goes for the vote winner in each district. I think that if this was adopted nationwide, it would benefit Republicans. For that reason alone, Demoncrats would oppose that.

What they want is all EV to Demoncrats, all the time, regardless of the vote count.


45 posted on 02/21/2018 3:29:04 PM PST by jim_trent
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I think it’s time to break up the United States. The Democrats have destroyed it too much, and it will no longer go back together again. Time to break it up


48 posted on 02/21/2018 3:32:52 PM PST by realcleanguy
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They can probably find a federal judge willing to declare the Constitution unconstitutional.


49 posted on 02/21/2018 3:34:33 PM PST by PAR35
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I would like to challenge the “and all other persons” clause that allots representatives, and hence electoral votes. Why should illegal aliens count towards electoral college votes?


56 posted on 02/21/2018 4:01:31 PM PST by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals.")
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Thank you for referencing that article SMGFan. Please note that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

I’m not surprised that the referenced article fails to mention that “winner takes all" laws of some states clearly violates the 12th Amendment (12A) imo.

"The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice- President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, [emphasis added] directed to the President of the Senate; …"

Note that 12A not only shows that the early states never intended for ordinary citizens to have the power to elect either senators or presidents, but consider the following.

If we’re really sincere about complying with 12A, I hope that Pres. Trump will not only be a two term president, but also that he is the last president elected by ordinary citizens.

Corrections, insights welcome.

What the states need to do when they wake up and repeal the ill-conceived 17th Amendment is to include a provision in the repeal amendment that prohibits political party support for representatives.

After all, since one of the very few powers that the states have actually expressly constitutionally delegated to the feds to decide domestic policy is to run the US Mail Service (1.8.7), most other federal domestic policy based on post-17A ratification stolen state powers, the key question concerning federal domestic policy is this.

How many political parties does it take to run the US Mail Service.

I say none, no political parties needed.

What patriots need to do in the meanwhile is to finish the job that they started in 2016 when they elected Trump President.

More specifically, patriots now need to be making sure that there are plenty of Trump-supporting patriots candidates on the 2018 primary ballots who will commit to respecting the fed's constitutionally limited powers, and pink-slip career lawmakers by sending patriot candidate lawmakers to DC on election day.

And until the states wake up and repeal 17A, as evidenced by concerns about the integrity of Alabama's special Senate election, patriot candidates need to win elections by a large enough margin to compensate for possible deep state ballot box fraud and associated MSM scare tactics.

Hacking Democracy - The Hack

57 posted on 02/21/2018 4:10:57 PM PST by Amendment10
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You cannot sue to overturn a clause in the Constitution. Any decision by any court would have no validity.

That doesn’t bother leftists, who have already thrown out the supreme law, the law of human nature written in our being, and authored by the Creator.


61 posted on 02/21/2018 4:41:32 PM PST by I want the USA back (Free Republic keeps me from going insane in a world that has chosen insanity over reason.)
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The once great America is becoming more like the old, failed Soviet Union with each passing day.


62 posted on 02/21/2018 4:45:39 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (#NotARussianBot)
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Only a crooked judge would take this since courts have no legal jurisdiction in this matter at all. If these people want to change things then they need to take it up with their legislators. These are lowlife people who want to find a Lawless liberal judge to overthrow the legislator’s. They are bad for America.


64 posted on 02/21/2018 5:02:50 PM PST by Revel
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Kalifornia challenging winner take all? If their electoral votes were proportional they would lose a large chunk of their blue bloc.


66 posted on 02/21/2018 5:10:00 PM PST by pfflier
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Scotus just needs to smack this down hard.


67 posted on 02/21/2018 5:18:51 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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The communists are vigilant.


71 posted on 02/21/2018 5:54:43 PM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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Idiots.

As far as it goes it is in the Constitution, including that the Constitution does not say states cannot use the winner take all method. If the Constitution has no mandate against it, then what is the “Constitutional” argument against it? Zip, zilch, nada. (unless that is you’re a judge that thinks you can write your own “living Constitution” by judicial fiat from the bench)


72 posted on 02/21/2018 7:15:02 PM PST by Wuli
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