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1 posted on 02/19/2018 7:00:18 AM PST by Simon Green
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If you take prescription drugs behavioral issues or for depression then you should not be able to purchase firearm. Also, hold drug companies accountable.


47 posted on 02/19/2018 7:20:03 AM PST by I got the rope
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How about 25 being the minimum age to purchase, and/or own, a gun. Along with that, a gun safety certification and a required number of hours in training.

Exceptions, of course, would be made for the military, but then, the military does the extensive training and safety requirements.

Twenty-five supposed to be the magic age when young adults finally gain the full ability to foresee the results of their actions, and the consequences of stupid decisions.

That’s five extra years of maturity, societal rules, and knowledge.

Let’s stop pushing societal control to younger and younger people. Everything from firearms to sex is being pushed younger and younger, when it should be going the other way.

And while we’re at it...twenty-five should be the minimum voting age too...same reasons.


48 posted on 02/19/2018 7:20:50 AM PST by FrankR (An armed society is a polite society.)
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If the shooter (I will not mention his name) had shouted "Allahu akbar" while killing the students, Hillary! supporters would have been saying "Don't judge a whole community because of one crazed individual".

Since the shooter did not shout "Allahu akbar", Hillary! supporters are saying "Blame the whole community for the actions of one crazed individual".

54 posted on 02/19/2018 7:24:59 AM PST by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the far North)
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What’s with tougher background checks....they don’t do anything with the ones they have.


55 posted on 02/19/2018 7:25:35 AM PST by ontap
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Things that need to change to facilitate said background checks

1) Document all bad behavior. Start laying mischief charges. For the little angels from ages 8 to 18. Have some sort of record to review
2) Bury the PC. Support teachers and police and remove the fear and backlash of confronting the hispanics and Trayvons.
3) Repeal all the liberal nonsense of putting medicated mental cases in our neighbourhoods. Lock up the criminally insane and work to improve the drugs to control the violent impulses.


58 posted on 02/19/2018 7:27:48 AM PST by Steven Tyler
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My best idea is to imprison those who post serious threats on our public media.


63 posted on 02/19/2018 7:33:07 AM PST by cymbeline
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Turned in to the FBI at least twice, 39 police visits, expelled from school due to threats. Let’s see ... we need more gun control laws and a monument to the stupidity of of the Left, and raise taxes to pay for the monument, of course.


69 posted on 02/19/2018 7:37:17 AM PST by Truth29
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74 posted on 02/19/2018 7:40:42 AM PST by PROCON (Happy Trump Year!)
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Look for the “mental health” angle to be once again shoveled under the rug.


75 posted on 02/19/2018 7:41:41 AM PST by headstamp 2 (My "White Privilege" is my work ethic.)
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ANY gun ban, ANY infringement of the right to keep and bear arms signed by Trump, and I will STAY HOME from the 2020 elections. Absolutely serious. If Trump is willing to throw his NRA supporters to the Demonrat wolves, then he will get the same treatment.


77 posted on 02/19/2018 7:41:59 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (The GOP-Democrat-Media Uniparty must be destroyed.)
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Nick Cruz was only 19 and law enforcement had blown-off multiple tips. It is doubtful that an enhanced background check would have turned-up anything.


86 posted on 02/19/2018 7:48:22 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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Who gets to decide who is mentally unstable? The left and more than a few republican squishes declare that Trump and those that support him are mentally unstable. Plenty on the left argue that military veterans and gun owners in general are unstable.

Beware the slippery slope.


88 posted on 02/19/2018 7:49:22 AM PST by TADSLOS (Alex Jones isnÂ’t quite the wing nut now, all things considered.)
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The dude did have a background check....he passed it for whatever reason.

This did not stop him from doing what he did.

We need to be focusing on the mental health side of this argument. The dude was taking meds with known side effects.

The system had multiple warnings and was ignored.

89 posted on 02/19/2018 7:49:25 AM PST by ealgeone
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Maybe we should do more extensive background checks on FBI agents. You know to make sure they don’t organize a coup to overthrow our government and undermine the will of the people ultimately resulting in tyranny and genocide.

I’m really sick and tired of hearing about government doing background checks on us. Who the hell do these peolple think they are. We need to do background checks on all of them and I can tell you most would fail.

90 posted on 02/19/2018 7:49:50 AM PST by precisionshootist
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There already is a mental health question on the 4473 form. I doubt anyone ever checks the yes box and expects the purchase to go through. The bottleneck is the reporting to the feds that places a person on the 'do not sell to' list has been debated over and over. Unless they build an appealable mechanism to bypass HIPPA regs from a Dr/Patient release of medical info to the feds it probably won't happen. Like the no-fly list, you don't know how you got on it, who put you on it, when were you put on it and how do you get off it. This do not sell list will be open to the same problems.

What will probably happen is a purchase application thru local police with a 30 day investigation to buy a firearm. A lot of power in the local deputy's hands, don't mouth off getting a ticket in that scenario.

92 posted on 02/19/2018 7:49:53 AM PST by redcatcherb412 (Emerged intact.)
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How would “tougher background checks” have helped? They ALREADY KNEW about this mentally ill jerk.

Put BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS

The Shooter
The FBI


103 posted on 02/19/2018 7:57:13 AM PST by A_Former_Democrat (Another Islamic terrorist event, and no “outrage” from the “Muslim community”. Again)
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Improving compliance would have kept the Texas church shooter, Dylan Roof, the VT shooter from legally buying guns.

If that's what they're talking about it's already the law and should already be happening.

110 posted on 02/19/2018 8:06:57 AM PST by Eagles6
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POTUS big mistake if you fold to liberal pressure.


114 posted on 02/19/2018 8:12:35 AM PST by Rappini (Compromise has its place. It's called second.)
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I can go out and Lease (not even have to buy) a brand new Pickup Truck that weighs 5,000 Pounds and run down a Crosswalk full of Elementary School Kids on the way home (without being subjected to a Background Check).

Last time I checked, possessing a Pickup Truck is not a God Given Right as enshrined in our Constitution, but bearing Arms is a Right that “Shall Not Be Infringed”.


118 posted on 02/19/2018 8:15:59 AM PST by Kickass Conservative ( An Amed Scoiety is a Polite Society. An unarmed Society is North Korea.)
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It doesn't matter how strict the background check is if the reporting authorities take it upon themselves to give their suspects a pass.

http://www.ctguntalk.com/smf/index.php?topic=50239.66

Here’s Why Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Never Reported Nikolas Cruz to the Police

Nikolas Cruz was a known threat. Known by the administrators of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. It’s a clear case where a known dangerous student was not reported to the police. Why?

Because back in 2013, the Broward County School Board adopted a program where they don’t relay information to police about troubled students.

NPR reported in Fla. School District Trying To Curb School-To-Prison Pipeline;

It’s a move away from so-called “zero tolerance” policies that require schools to refer even minor misdemeanors to the police. Critics call it a “school to prison pipeline.”

Under a new program adopted by the Broward County School District, non-violent misdemeanors — even those that involve alcohol, marijuana or drug paraphernalia — will now be handled by the schools instead of the police.

Cruz was banned from carrying a backpack at school after bullets were found in his backpack. Cruz was expelled from MSD last year after a fight with his ex-girlfriend’s new boyfriend.

Non-violent misdemeanors? Even so, red flags were flying.

Again, the Broward County School Board has an official policy requiring that they don’t tell the police about non-violent incidents with troubled youth.

“There were problems with him last year threatening students, and I guess he was asked to leave campus,” Maths teacher Jim Gard told The Miami Herald.

Let’s look at a law that might cover that.

784.011 Assault. —

(1) An “assault” is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.

(2) Whoever commits an assault shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

So another Liberal Feel Good program once again stepped in the way of the laws we have on the books being effective. Because last I checked, his actions of making threats to students and teachers constitutes assault.

It is possible that Nikolas Cruz would have been Baker Acted and received the needed medical attention he required before this all happened. But that wasn’t the case and sadly, 17 people lost their lives because of “feelz“.

119 posted on 02/19/2018 8:18:27 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=800>)
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