Yes we have been self-dividing, self-destructive without any foreign interference to be sure. “These guys” capitalizing on our pre-existing conditions is not that big a deal.
But separate from Mueller and fake Trump collusion conspiracies:
We are at the point now DBG, where US troops have attacked and killed Russian mercenaries in Syria just last week in response to an initial attack on our outpost...
Proxy war in Middle East is something Putin wanted as he joined forces with Iran and after bringing Assad under his belt. To me this is the real revelation of how far downhill things have gone.
Unfortunately, the “real” Russia conflict is overshadowed by the “fake” election stuff. Playing devil’s advocate here: Trump should not have been so complimentary of Putin while on the campaign trail.
To Russian elites any talk of “reset” in relations is mocked and mistaken for weakness, and for our leftist media: any compliment of Putin - however valid or well meaning- will be distorted as sympathizing with him and his agenda. And thats how much of this started.
You either misunderstood what I meant - and what the guy I copied and pasted meant - or you are being deliberately obtuse.
There is no way these 13 Russians - or any other number of Russians - or anyone else - had any “influence” on this election. At all. None.
Hillary was a shoe-in until they announced the results. If these guys had been effective at all it would have shown up in the polls long before election day. People didn’t suddenly wake up and vote Trup - or anyone else - based on a bunch of bullshit posted on social media.
Hillary lost because she came off like a drunk old bat of a neighbor who is always stirring shit up. Not to mention her past...
And even if some Russians (or Brits or Turks or Frogs or whoever) bought the ads and placed fake stories, it is neither serious nor repugnant nor “hacking” nor any of the other things they are calling it. It’s a joke is what it is. The US government does much worse than this trying to influence elections everywhere. It seems pretty saucy for us to get our panties all in a bunch because a few Russians - even if Putin paid them himself - put up a few ads and created some Facebook events.
As for all that other crap - we reap what we’ve sown. If we would stop believing we have the right to go into other people’s countries and tell them how to live we would be a lot better off.
Bring our military home. Offer to trade with whomever we deem we like. Do so fairly. And tell everyone, everywhere that if someone attacks us, we turn their country into a parking lot.
Problem solved.