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After Trump tariffs, Chinese solar company says it will build U.S. factory
CNN Money ^ | 01/30/2018 | Daniel Shane

Posted on 01/30/2018 3:41:02 PM PST by gubamyster

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To: Ben Ficklin

> There are no American companies making solar panels, they
> have all gone out of business because the GOP has tried
> for years to shut down solar because coal and nat gas
> give huge sums to republicans.

While it is true that no American companies are making solar panels it’s not because of the GOP. It’s because of market forces and because the Chinese pour government funds into their solar manufacturing companies so they can operate at a loss and it’s off the books, they can fund the loss through other means, much the way IBM used to work their contracts.


21 posted on 01/30/2018 5:40:16 PM PST by Snowybear
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To: Wuli

They are better than they used to be. Change like that takes time. I buy clothes and shoes on Amazon, some from small Chinese companies. They communicate quickly and are very accommodating. They are trying.


22 posted on 01/30/2018 6:16:45 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: gubamyster

Wanxiang is a Chinese solar company that is already manufacturing in Rockford, Illinois. So this isn’t new, and the Trump tariff makes a nice incentive.


23 posted on 01/30/2018 6:35:55 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: gubamyster

All these years globalist free traders have shouted from the roof tops, “no tariffs, you must out source your factories, profit above all else, free tradeeee!!!”. They made a bundle strip mining our country.

Now Trump gets strategic and tells multinational corps and China that if they want to be in the largest consumer market in the world, toe the line. Shocker, they are toeing the line. Yes, it was just that easy to do.


24 posted on 01/30/2018 7:31:26 PM PST by Gen-X-Dad
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To: Ben Ficklin

What did the GOP do to “shut down solar”?


25 posted on 01/30/2018 9:47:40 PM PST by Paul R. (I don't want to be energy free, we want to be energy dominant in terms of the world. -D. Trump)
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To: Bacchus

...With a US based company as a 51% partner.


26 posted on 01/30/2018 9:52:01 PM PST by gogeo (excellent!)
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To: BipolarBob

Why not a front loader? I’ve been told they don’t clean as well, stinky water gets left behind, and it would be harder for me to bend into one, hit my head. I want a top loader like I bought 30 years ago before the manufacturers started to change all the models.


27 posted on 01/31/2018 5:00:08 AM PST by Ciexyz (I'm conservative & traditionalist, a nationalist and patriot.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

“They are better than they used to be. Change like that takes time.”

We have been told that since the “opening” to Communist China began. But in actuality political change has been zero, zip, nada; and recently party control and it’s political use against “enemies of the state” has become greater, deeper and broader. All the Chinese people have, even economically, are “privileges” granted, and able to be rescinded, by their dictators, not rights.

Trade (import/export) is a different matter than allowing Chinese mainland companies any operations within the domestic U.S. economy.


28 posted on 01/31/2018 6:55:35 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli

http://fortune.com/2016/03/18/the-biggest-american-companies-now-owned-by-the-chinese/

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/business/tax-bill-china.html?referer=http://www.google.com/


29 posted on 01/31/2018 7:03:41 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Ben Ficklin

“One million solar power installations now dot America’s rooftops and landscape, an achievement being hailed as a milestone by advocates of solar energy. There were just 1,000 such projects at the turn of this century, and only six years ago, going solar cost twice as much.

Still, those one million installations deliver just 1 percent of electricity in the U.S., the world’s second-largest energy consumer after China. Globally, the figure is roughly the same. If the goal of keeping global warming to no more than 2 degrees Celsius is to be met, then climate-changing emissions will have to drop by as much as 70 percent by mid-century.”

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/24052016/solar-energy-27-gigawatts-united-states-one-million-rooftop-panels-climate-change-china-germany

We have a ways to go.


30 posted on 01/31/2018 7:13:01 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

Yes, and every single one of the Chinese companies who have been able to acquire a U.S. company are not strictly private enterprises. They all have some form of majority control by the Chinese government and/or the Communist Party. What researchers often find is the majority of shares are owned by other “companies” which often are (1)shell companies whose listed “owners” are poor and ignorant people who know nothing about the company and apparently either get paid something for the use of their name or just had their name used by government officials or a government entity, or (2) companies or groups of companies that were actually created and wholly owned by some state government unit or state enterprise. In each way the party is in control of all the network of so-called “private” enterprises.

Yes, you are right, I do not think any of the acquisitions in the Fortune article should have been allowed; not a one.


31 posted on 01/31/2018 7:46:56 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli

I get the feeling you are very anti-China. How do you feel about trade with Viet Nam? I happened to notice recently a pair if my granddaughter’s pants were made in Viet Nam.


32 posted on 01/31/2018 7:54:24 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

As I said, export/import is one thing, while direct participation (operations) within the domestic U.S. economic sphere is a different matter; in my opinion.


33 posted on 01/31/2018 8:20:21 AM PST by Wuli
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To: ilovesarah2012

As I said, export/import is one thing, while direct participation (operations) within the domestic U.S. economic sphere is a different matter; in my opinion.

I am not “anti China”, as my Chinese friends know. I, like they, are “anti Communist party and its dictatorship of China”.


34 posted on 01/31/2018 8:22:08 AM PST by Wuli
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To: gubamyster

So much for the “trade war” progressives were predicting lol.


35 posted on 01/31/2018 8:22:49 AM PST by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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To: ilovesarah2012
If the goal of keeping global warming to no more than 2 degrees Celsius is to be met

ROFL!!!

Begs the question, doesn't it? Who says "global warming" is real, or that it has anything to do with "emissions"?

36 posted on 01/31/2018 8:31:12 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Ciexyz
I’ve been told

IF those things were true they wouldn't sell any. It's not true. They clean fine. No water gets left behind plus they have an option to stir them up to keep the load fresh if you leave them in the washer overnight. They make pedestals to raise them up to prevent you bending over much.

37 posted on 01/31/2018 8:46:21 AM PST by BipolarBob (At one time I held the world record as the worlds youngest person on the planet.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
That's absolutely correct, but then it is just recently that solar prices have fallen to competitive levels. As of now there are but a few places in the world where PV is cheaper and that is in the deserts. Those prices will continue to fall so by 2050 it will be the cheapest.

The article you linked to also pointed out that Germany and China lead the US.

38 posted on 01/31/2018 1:47:31 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Wuli

What you don’t understand is that the situation is dynamic. With the tariff in place a 100% domestic manufacturer can now start making product and compete with the ChiCom made product. That is the beauty of the tariff.


39 posted on 02/01/2018 4:14:04 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Your post is BS. Why? Because the situation is dynamic and not static like you would portray it. All Free Traitors™ do that to scare people. With a tariff in place multiple domestic sources of solar panels will become available. Maybe not right away but soon. The price will return to it's pre tariff level with increased DOMESTIC competition.
40 posted on 02/01/2018 4:19:09 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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