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To: cp124
I am here in MI. IMHO their is a buzz ( especially after attending EVTechExpo this year ) that we are on the cusp of the Electric Car being a reality. 1.5x to 3x ( and some are claiming 5x) battery densities are almost here as well as the 1st gen Solid State Batteries, will be here, possibly as early as 2020.

Case in point a Chevy Bolt w/ a range of 238 x 1.5 is 357 miles on a charge, you get the point. Some are working on lowering charging times to between 5 and 10 minutes.

So they can talk C02 bla bla bla, but the better reasons is the supplier base of all components for the drivetrain and no testing up the ying-yang of engines and EPA testing.

As my auto gnome told me, their are those that see this coming and those that don't will end up like the steam locomotives, great products but supplanted by the diesel locomotives as they fell by the wayside because they didn't embrace the change.

FWIW I think it happens in the 2 terms of the Trump Admin and fills the MAGA sails even more, as it is an inflection point, possibly greater than the tech-rev in the Clinton Years.

30 posted on 01/15/2018 1:20:18 PM PST by taildragger ("Do you hear the people Singing? Singing the Song of Angry Men!")
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To: taildragger

“their are those that see this coming and those that don’t will end up like the steam locomotives”

Dumb conclusion based on a false premise.

There have been countless technologies people have claimed we had better embrace or else.


34 posted on 01/15/2018 1:21:48 PM PST by CodeToad (CWII is coming. Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: taildragger

OK so what do they have for heat(Cab and defroster)- And electric heater. That will draw more power than the motors. How far are you going to go with the heater running?

It is amazing how efficient an internal combustion engine becomes in a cold climate because even the heat from the engine is put to good use.


65 posted on 01/15/2018 1:55:16 PM PST by Revel
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To: taildragger

Let me guess...were you also a peak oil believer?


132 posted on 01/15/2018 7:29:34 PM PST by gogeo
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To: taildragger

For the sake of argument, allow that an F-150 equivalent vehicle at 60 mph results in a steady electric traction motor load requiring 30 kW to maintain speed. If continued for one hour that is 30 kWh drawn from a battery. Referencing a Tesla pack with a usable capacity of approximately 75 kWh, that allows two and a half hours driving time for a range of 150 miles.

One hundred fifty minutes discharge—to replenish the battery within five minutes would require a charge rate a minimum thirty times the discharge. With a specification of 390V peak charging voltage, the current would be on the order of at least 2300 amps. For an internal dissipation loss of 5%, a 45 kW heating load must be withdrawn from the battery and internal buss-bar connections during the charge. The station must supply at a rate of 900 kW instantaneous power for a single vehicle, sufficient to typically supply 450 homes average electrical needs. Switching such a load at a single location poses similar delivery requirements as an industrial facility.


133 posted on 01/15/2018 7:30:17 PM PST by Ozark Tom
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To: taildragger

Electric cars are going to be just great in the next rerun of the 2009 mid-South ice storm... Electric vehicles in a rerun of the New Madrid quakes will be even more disastrous.

One has to think of weeks or in the latter case, months with most of the electric power grid down, and also in the latter case most power plants in a large region are themselves likely down. At least with gas / diesel, one can use a little fuel to run the generators to access a lot more fuel. Generators to charge the batteries of even a few % of the vehicle base are totally unfeasible.


136 posted on 01/15/2018 8:09:42 PM PST by Paul R. (I don't want to be energy free, we want to be energy dominant in terms of the world. -D. Trump)
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