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To: Tax-chick

If your - and my - ancestors existed to be an economic gain we’d all be farming 2 acres in Belfast.
Immigrants belong in America regardless of where they come from. This is the promised land. Anyone can come here and the generations beyond them will achieve the thinfs thar I habe oe Ben Carson has.
Shutting people out because their country is a bit poor is bullshit.


71 posted on 01/14/2018 8:03:07 PM PST by Anoreth (It is not moth eaten. It is superb.)
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To: Anoreth

Hey, it was 10 acres in Londonderry!

I largely agree with you. That’s why I’m drawing the distinction between an observation of current economic factors and a general value judgment.

I do have to disagree with “a bit poor,” though. We’re talking about “Can’t believe it unless you’ve been there,” poor. Russ thought Turkey was incredibly poor, yet it’s a prosperous country for the area. St. Luke’s mission in the Dominican Republic serves people who illegally crossed the border from Haiti because being illegals doing slave labor in the DR was better than Haiti.


76 posted on 01/14/2018 8:07:08 PM PST by Tax-chick ("It's the end of the world as we know it ... if the sky is falling, I don't want to be below it.")
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To: Anoreth

*the things that Ben Carson has


77 posted on 01/14/2018 8:07:35 PM PST by Anoreth (It is not moth eaten. It is superb.)
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To: Anoreth

Okay you are obviously being comic relief.

Well, ha ha ha. You win the jester cap.

By the way this oughtn’t to have squat to do about race. I’ve been meeting with Christian free enterprise black people up close and personal recently. Black rednecks they are. And they respect me better than a lot of lily white folks do.


78 posted on 01/14/2018 8:07:44 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: Anoreth

The countries that Trump was alluding to are a tad more than “a bit poor”.

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80 posted on 01/14/2018 8:12:26 PM PST by Mears
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To: Anoreth

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/Annual-Number-of-US-Legal-Permanent-Residents


114 posted on 01/14/2018 10:08:06 PM PST by Paul R. (I don't want to be energy free, we want to be energy dominant in terms of the world. -D. Trump)
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To: Anoreth

The point of that graph is that in the past the US has always and only allowed immigration that benefitted the country in some way or ways. Other posters have already addressed this. Suffice it to say that we no longer need poor farmers, or, for that matter, to be blunt, cannon fodder or future cannon fodder. When the trend became a problem, such as in the 1930’s, we shut it down.

If we get in a long drawn out war with China, that might change. But technology and adequate resources are probably a better path, should it come to that. Plus, I’d like to think we are past the point of importing huge masses of people as cannon fodder. A limited number, to earn citizenship by military service, I am fine with.

You, though, seem to be saying that anyone in the world who wants to come here for opportunity should be allowed to. This is nonsense. The plain fact of the matter is, we can’t handle the immigrants we have here now, the illegals in particular. (I read somewhere we have 1/5 of the refugees and immigrants in the world, here in the US, already. I am still looking for confirmation of that, admittedly. But, “confirmation” really doesn’t matter.) Look at the mess CA is in, especially the population centers. Are you really advocating for 10x that, or worse? That is exactly what we will get if we let every “good” person who wants to come here, come here.

The truth is, this country, and the world, are far different than they once were. What has not changed is that our immigration policy should be tailored / corrected to benefit our country, as it always has been.

I say this as a person whose wife is a “3rd world” immigrant. We have MANY immigrant friends, and even she sees it.


116 posted on 01/14/2018 10:36:04 PM PST by Paul R. (I don't want to be energy free, we want to be energy dominant in terms of the world. -D. Trump)
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