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'Injuries and casualties' reported in Amtrak train derailment near Lacey
King 5 News ^ | 12-18-2017 | Jimmy Bernhard

Posted on 12/18/2017 9:12:29 AM PST by JME_FAN

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I have no way of knowing for certain, but would guess that the speed was a lot lower than 80 mph, otherwise the front engine and cars would have flown a lot further down the bank and interstate. What is more likely is that the train was slowing from that earlier speed to around 40-50 mph but it was still going too fast to take the turn. Apparently a passive computerized system that is designed to be a fail-safe against human error was not yet operational (local news report said scheduled for next year). The curve is preceded by a long (if slight) downgrade and so possibly the engineers misjudged the rate at which they could slow down. Time will tell, but I don’t think there’s any chance that rear engine would have stopped where it did going more than 40 mph.


161 posted on 12/18/2017 6:48:01 PM PST by Peter ODonnell (The president is a good man -- that's why they are out to get him -- where have we seen this before?)
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To: newgeezer

No, because in theory Amtrak normally travels around highway speeds, and up to as much as 100mph. This is not “high-speed” in the great world of RR. It’s standard passenger travel, higher than freight.


162 posted on 12/18/2017 7:07:47 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: Conservative Gato

“The witness I heard said he saw the train approaching and was going faster than any train he had seen go through there.”

But all that might mean is faster than 30mph, the alleged rating of the curve right into the bridge. So maybe it was moving 50pmh.


163 posted on 12/18/2017 7:12:45 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: JME_FAN

Is this train supposed to connect with Moonbeam’s desert dream train in Kali?


164 posted on 12/18/2017 8:36:35 PM PST by Rembrandt
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To: Rembrandt

No. This is the train that services the 467 miles of the Cascade Corridor: Vancouver (BC), Bellingham (WA), Everett, Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia, Portland (OR), Salem, Eugene.


165 posted on 12/18/2017 8:38:31 PM PST by Publius
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To: the OlLine Rebel

‘... but the bridge clearly has been there what with the vandalism on it ...’

Vandalism as in ‘sabotage’?


166 posted on 12/19/2017 4:59:24 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (Support gun control so that undocumented border crossers can sell machine guns.)
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To: Peter ODonnell; LucyT; rodguy911

“grafitti on the bridge (LABRAT KHAT)”

?


167 posted on 12/19/2017 5:04:40 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (Support gun control so that undocumented border crossers can sell machine guns.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/18/us/amtrak-derailment-washington.html

The National Transportation Safety Board said at a Monday night briefing that the train had been traveling more than twice the speed limit before it derailed, or at 80 miles per hour instead of the allowable 30 m.p.h.

Bella Dinh-Zarr, a member of the safety board, said at the briefing that it was unclear why the train was traveling so fast or whether the operator’s unfamiliarity with the new route had caused the accident.


168 posted on 12/19/2017 5:52:45 AM PST by outpostinmass2
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

NO, vandalism as in graffiti.


169 posted on 12/19/2017 5:59:36 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: newgeezer
Given this was the first-ever high-speed passenger run on this “upgraded” route, I wonder how many times they bothered to test the process with a fully-loaded train prior to welcoming the trusting hordes for a mostly death-defying ride.

I wondered the exact same thing. If it were a new airplane.... If it were a new airport....

170 posted on 12/19/2017 6:04:00 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Goblins, Orcs and the Undead: Metaphors for the godless left.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

These letters are visible on the bridge that the train was attempting to cross. They were also there when google earth captured its images in Nov 2016. This is how I knew which bridge was involved. As to the meaning, no idea, some dude who is a lab rat and a “khat” — not necessarily any indication of bad intentions or certainly (not) any connection to this sad accident.


171 posted on 12/19/2017 1:05:16 PM PST by Peter ODonnell (The president is a good man -- that's why they are out to get him -- where have we seen this before?)
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To: Peter ODonnell

LABRAT grafitti is all over Portland also


172 posted on 12/19/2017 10:20:36 PM PST by KTM rider
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Oh BOY, here we go, someone claiming ANTIFA caused the derailment : https://www.facebook.com/JustAnAmericanPatriot/videos/1653555534688443/


173 posted on 12/19/2017 10:25:05 PM PST by KTM rider
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To: MeganC; Rusty0604; EternalHope; factoryrat; All

This evening reports said the straight stretch before the curve was rated for 80 pmh, and before the curve there was a sign for 30 mph which never happened. The trains black box says the train was going 81 mph when it crashed. So what happened: drunk driver, asleep driver, inattentive driver; suicidal driver???


174 posted on 12/20/2017 12:10:04 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

If it was going that fast, it’s fortunate there wasn’t more fatalities. Maybe someday we’ll find out why he didn’t slow down.


175 posted on 12/20/2017 4:24:08 AM PST by Rusty0604
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