Posted on 12/11/2017 1:02:58 PM PST by JP1201
The Shaver case is well beyond politics. There is nothing conservative, liberal or constitutional about an agent of the state killing an American without just cause. It is deeply wrong regardless of party or ideology. Bernie Sanders voters and the most ardent Trump supporters all should be united in outrage over the death of Daniel Shaver.
Maricopa County District Attorney Bill Montgomery got it right by charging Brailsford with second degree murder. The jury got it very wrong. Shaver should be alive, and his death must be taken as a call to action. Police departments should establish that a suspect always has the ability to show hands and lie down on the ground for arrest. Complicated law enforcement commands that require mobility and balance — under threat of execution — cannot be an acceptable standard.
When good faith efforts to respond to police commands can be met with a hail of bullets, we are all in jeopardy, and the work of all law enforcement officers becomes more difficult and dangerous.
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
[[The cop did not have the benefit of hindsight and many officers have been shot and killed for not shooting fast enough when a guy reached for something that did turn out to be a weapon.
Not the best outcome but an understandable outcome for those who don’t hate cops.]]
Exactly-
[[I have to ask...why did the deceased move his hand toward the back of his waistband when he was explicitly directed to NOT do that?]]
I think he was pulling up his pant- but the cop couldn’t know that in a split second
Who needs a leftist judge that might not get elected when the jury pools are all functionally illiterate public high school graduate socialists ?
They saw THIS one a long time ago and we are reaping from our blindness, the Kate Steinle verdict and this one.
I'm sure there are others, they just haven't come out ....yet.
Yes.
None of us are safe.
Don’t call the police unless it is worth someone (a person, a pet), dying over, or unless it is save your own life.
I'm old enough to *clearly* remember black & white TVs and dial telephones.In my life I've been in a vehicle that was stopped by the police three times.The first two,in which I was the sole occupant of the car,were when I was in my 20's...one resulted in no consequences for me (short and uneventful) the other resulted in me getting a moving violation ticket (which I fought in court...and won).
The third had my sister driving and me and my young (early 20's) nephew as passengers.It was on I-95 and a Virginia State Trooper pulling us over.My nephew,although he's very smart,has Aspberger's Syndrome and is a basket case when it comes to real life situations.I had to remind him several times as the trooper walked up to the car that neither he nor I should make a single move while the cop was there,that we shouldn't make a single sound and that we both should keep our hands in plain sight.
And during the trooper's encounter with my sister Bill and I did exactly that.
Bottom like...the trooper was very courteous and professional,my sister was polite and reasonable,and the whole thing took less than 10 minutes with *nothing* untoward having happened to any of the four people involved...except that my sister got a speeding ticket
Bottom line...I'd like my kids to avoid waving *any* kind of gun around while drunk (even a harmless one).
The kid was stupid,at least one of the cops was stupid, and it's that collective stupidity that created "the perfect storm".
The guy was .3 over the limit. Everthing was complicated for him.
What the cop did was unconscionable. I hope he gets what is coming to him, soon and hard.
Cops have burned through a lot of good will over the last 20 years.
At least he went home alive after his shift. /sarc
“...an understandable outcome for those who don’t hate cops.”
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I don’t hate cops and this outcome is not understandable to me...not one bit. I viewed the video 3 or 4 times to see if I was missing something.
Some people just shouldn’t be cops.
He was a fat guy, causing poor balance and knee pain resulting in involuntary pain reaction.
Try walking that way yourself and see how long you would have lived.
Murder and Electric Chair on slow fry on AC.
The cop was on a complete power trip. He was giving the other cops behind him a real show, which is why he was using the quick, contradictory commands. There was more than enough opportunity and time for the guy to have been safely handcuffed and the situation diffused, especially when he was prone on the ground, legs crossed and arms out flat. The cop is the one who ordered him up again crawling toward him, (which there was no reason to do). In fact, the continued commands put the cops at a higher risk because of the continued movement. I hope the cop rots in hell.
Because his shorts were about to drop and the unthinking reflex is to try and hitch them up.
bullsit.
the cop was a poor hire, a waste of training and therefore ill prepared for this and other situations.
normally they seek to avoid freaks like this.
the cop could have shot to disable mobility if he had to.
it boils down to he did not know what to do. periodically mistakes are made.
unfortunately, someone paid for the cops mistake with a life.
Shaver’s wife and her lawyer requested that the Mesa Police Department release bodycam footage of the event.[citation needed] The request for the bodycam footage was initially refused. In a recording released by Shaver’s wife, purportedly of a meeting between her and Maricopa County prosecutors, she was told that she could watch the video only if she agreed not to discuss its contents with the press.[2] Prosecutors and defense attorneys in Brailsford’s murder trial asked that the bodycam footage be sealed. Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Sam Myers granted the motion to seal the footage.[10]
This.What the hell? I still haven't seen if the vid was played for the jury. I can't possibly think of any reason for it not to have been. It's freaking body-cam footage from the event. I do not see how it could possibly not be admissible.
The footage shows that Shaver was on the floor as ordered and crying when he was shot five times in the back with an AR-15 rifle by Brailsford.[11][12][13][14]
When he was murdered by the state. It is stuff like this that is causing a lot of people to give credence to claims against police that would not otherwise be considered credible.
You fail (in every possible way in which it is possible to fail) how bad some of the people being passed by today’s police academies are.
Tho moment you do not obey the next command?
Boom.
You don’t get to refuse the game of “Simon Says With Bullets. “
“It’s freaking body-cam footage from the event.”
If I were on that jury and knew they had sealed it, I would’ve taken that as a fact that they had something to hide.
Same goes for circumstances where police turn off driver’s dashcams etc.
I've never seen such shoddy police work. So a drunk man fails the cop's game of Simon Says & deserves to be killed. Drunk men stagger. He should've had the man lie on the ground like 99% of the other arrests that occur in this country.
If the cop was that scared, maybe he should find a new line of work...
Slave. By choice.
Then at 4:26, when he was in movement as instructed and closer to the cop, he AGAIN reached behind his back and brought his right hand forward very quickly. This spooked the cop into the split second reaction to shoot.
Reasonable people should only expect two thing in situations like this. 1) The guy/perp should not do anything that would make the cop fear for his/her safety and 2) The cop should not shoot until the last possible moment when he/she does fear for his/her safety.
One thing is clear the guy/perp repeatedly caused the cop to fear for his safety even after being repeatedly instructed and warned against moving his hands his back. He didn't even try not give the cop reason to fear and shoot.
The cop did at least try, since he did allow the guy/perp once to reach behind his back with only a warning. But he did not have the nerves of steel and lighting reflexes to hold back when the guy did it again more quickly and when in movement more closer to him. And was spooked into firing - even before seeing something in the guy's hand. (Many cops have been shot and killed waiting longer.)
If all cops were required to have nerves of absolute steel and lightning fast reflexes society would be able to hire only a minuscule fraction of the police force today's crime ridden society requires.
As I said before, "Not the best outcome but an understandable outcome." But as I also said before "the officer did sound like aaahole" and many will judge him only on the basis of that.
“Not the best outcome but an understandable outcome for those who don’t hate cops.”
Infantile straw man. Shows how completely feal you are.
>When ordered by a LEO down on my Knees, I will comply.
Extend my arms at a 90 degree angle from my body.
>There I will be. No more orders. Come cuff me LEO.
Good idea.
You didn’t need to view it 3 or 4 times, unless you liked to be enraged at how much the cop sounded like an asshole. Just look at 3:52 and 4:26 and you’ll know that the guy - who should have given the cop no reason to fear for his safety - twice gave him that reason despite all the warnings.
If people kept that in mind tragic and unnecessary shootings like this would not happen.
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