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To: faithhopecharity
I’m my brothers keeper or helper to the extent he can’t help or support himself, such as genuine disabilities. Beyond this, he needs to take responsibility

You are all ignoring the fact that "keeper" - as used by Cain - meant something akin to "animal-keeper" or (as we would say today) "herder."

One still sees the true meaning in the modern term "zookeeper."

Cain was - rather insolently, to be sure - posing the rhetorical question: "Is my brother an animal? Do you expect me to hold him in a 'keep' him the same way he 'keeps' his sheep?"

Regards,

29 posted on 11/21/2017 9:05:51 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek

thank you.’
i do not doubt your comment.
however, FYI, i have seen a number of applications or translations or explanations of the Hebrew word in question, keeper in Genesis 4:9, being hashomer.
it has several common usages, such as a care-taker or possibly a financial supporter or often...a guardian...for another person.........as was used by the Hashomer voluntary (guardians of Zion) defense organization in the early 1900’s Israel/Judaea, protecting farmers and other residents against Muslim terrorist attackers, murderers (just like today, alas!). Also, it can sometimes be an unpaid or paid custodian of another’s property, a tenant (responsibility for landlord’s premises), and more. Also, it can be translated in a number of ways, but usually for this verse (many translations, Jewish and Christian alike) it tends to come out as keeper, without any animal husbandry implications. Possible, yes. Usual, no. I think it probably here means pretty much what it usually means, namely someone who looks after the well-being of another or helps defend him or her. Just what I can glean. I certainly stand correctable, I do not claim expertise for sure, ha!! Thanks for your input!


32 posted on 11/21/2017 9:23:07 PM PST by faithhopecharity (“Politicians aren’t born, they’re excreted.” - Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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