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To: daniel1212; Greetings_Puny_Humans

Great posts by both of you, especially your post 64, Daniel. Wasn’t aware of Dugin and his bizarre eschatology either.

Speaking of which, I have read your posts off and on for several years now, Daniel, but can’t remember you posting anything about your millennial view, whether you are Pre, A, or Post millennial (I myself am pre). I think it is going to have something to do with the issue here - Russia.

Putin’s Russia may not be the Soviet Union, but, in my view, his church’s Amillennialism (the Russian Orthodox Church is Amillennial, just like the RCC) is just about as totalitarian. Both the RCC and the Russian Orthodox, due to their interpretation of the millennial, believe that they are supposed to be ruling the world. In the case of Dugin, his part of the world, at least. Dugin’s “Eurasianism” from “Lisbon to Vladavostok” seems to fit the scenario.


91 posted on 11/24/2017 2:30:37 PM PST by sasportas
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To: sasportas
I have read your posts off and on for several years now, Daniel, but can’t remember you posting anything about your millennial view, whether you are Pre, A, or Post millennial

I usually to do not get into debatable peripherals, but

I myself also see the “rapture”- which term is derived from the text of the Latin Vulgate of 1 Thess. 4:17—”we will be caught up,” [Latin: rapiemur]) - as being the first resurrection, (Rv. 20:5,6) which is only for the saved, “the resurrection of life, (Jn. 5:29a), the “resurrection of the just,” on the “day of the Lord, in which all the bodies of believers will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air at the ends of the Great Trib., and go on with Him to the battle of Armageddon.

“For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. “ (1 Thessalonians 4:14)

“Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. “ (1 Thessalonians 4:17)

“And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. “ (Jude 14-15)

Those who effectually believe on the Lord Jesus now have eternal life life, and if they die in the Lord they shall go to be with the Lord, (2Cor. 5:6-8; Phil. 1:23; 1Thes. 4:17) but their rewards or loss thereof are not given out until that “day of the Lord.”

Believers will be rewarded for their good works, (Lk. 14:14; cf. 1Cor. 4:5; Acts 24:15) in distinction to “the resurrection of damnation” (Jn. 5:29b) which evidently occurs 1,000 years after, (Rv. 20:5) and in which believers will be part of the jury in the judgement of men and angels.

“Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. “ (1 Corinthians 3:13)

“Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, “ (2 Thessalonians 2:1)

And on that “day” every believer shall “receive his own reward according to his own labour,” (1Cor. 3::8) including suffering loss of rewards:

“Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. “ (1 Corinthians 4:5)

And will sit with Him in judgment of men and of angels:

“Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? “ (1 Corinthians 6:3)

Those who die in their sins shall not see life but the wrath of God abideth upon them, yet their exact degree of punishment is not meted out until the Great White Throne judgment.

The “great and notable day of the Lord” ‘ Acts 2:20) culminates in the Great White Throne judgment in which the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, and whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire, (Rv. 20:11-5) with their degree of punishment being determined in accordance with how much light and grace was given. (Lk. 10:12-13; 12:47,48)

93 posted on 11/24/2017 6:11:15 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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