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States ranked by claims for state and local tax deductions
AP and ABC News ^ | 18 Nov 17 | AP Staff

Posted on 11/20/2017 4:42:05 PM PST by SkyPilot

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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
SPOT ON!

You get it; too bad so many here don't.

141 posted on 11/20/2017 8:55:47 PM PST by nopardons (<B></B>)
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To: nopardons
I'm more intelligent, knowledgeable, thoughtful, and honest than you are, or shall ever be.

Wrong, wrong and wrong - which makes the last one a flat out LIE.


142 posted on 11/20/2017 9:03:44 PM PST by Brown Deer (America First!)
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To: nopardons

Please don’t think I feel good about that. I really wanted to support this. There are some good things in it. Congress should go back to the drawing board.


143 posted on 11/20/2017 9:03:59 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Environ-MENTAL-ism is MENTAL)
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To: nopardons
Remember: Trump said he was the KING of debt, he LOVES debt. Said it during the primaries and the General Election.

He'd be living up to his word if he gets away with it: the problem is the debt he's talking about is going to be yours and mine !

144 posted on 11/20/2017 9:09:00 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Jarhead9297
As Reagan put it (and god I wished the man were still alive)...

Video May 1985:

REAGAN: “We’re reducing tax rates by simplifying the complex system of special provisions that favor some at the expense of others. Restoring confidence in our tax system means restoring and respecting the principle of fairness for all. This means curtailing some business deductions now being written off; it means ending several personal deductions, including the state and local tax deduction, which actually provides a special subsidy for high-income individuals, especially in a few high-tax states. Two-thirds of Americans don’t even itemize, so they receive no benefit from the state and local tax deduction. But they’re being forced to subsidize the high-tax policies of a handful of states. This is truly taxation without representation.”


145 posted on 11/20/2017 9:23:35 PM PST by Brown Deer (America First!)
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To: Brown Deer

You poor widdle thing...your mental disorders need to be seen to.


146 posted on 11/20/2017 9:23:49 PM PST by nopardons (<B></B>)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I imagine that most of us feel the same way; however, the more that Congress plays with this tax INCREASE, the worse it SHALL get! That is always the case.

But the WORST part of this, is that Trump will probably sign it, no matter HOW horrid it is. And THAT will haunt him...later on.

147 posted on 11/20/2017 9:26:23 PM PST by nopardons (<B></B>)
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The state and local tax deduction has become a major stumbling block for comprehensive federal tax reform that would boost economic growth. Congress should eliminate this outdated, unfair, and destructive give-away to bloated state and local governments. The state and local tax deduction subsidizes high-tax and high-debt states with most of the benefits accruing to wealthy taxpayers. It thereby encourages states and localities to raise taxes higher than they otherwise would. It also encourages growth in government through public-sector provision of what should be private services, because the deduction allows states to alleviate their own residents’ state and local tax burden by hoisting it upon federal taxpayers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krtiY5Fa-3A


148 posted on 11/20/2017 9:26:26 PM PST by Brown Deer (America First!)
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To: nopardons

You are the one crying and making up stories, not me, you ignorant little moron.


149 posted on 11/20/2017 9:27:54 PM PST by Brown Deer (America First!)
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To: usconservative
True, but it'll be even worse than THAT!

Voters can forgive a whole LOT of things...getting money taken away from them isn't one of them.

Trump WILL be blamed for the mess that Congress finally passes, IF/WHEN he signs it.

150 posted on 11/20/2017 9:29:40 PM PST by nopardons (<B></B>)
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To: Brown Deer
I've neither "crying" nor making up anything at all.

The ONLY "ignorant moron" is YOU!

I have posted what is known that IS in both Bills and how, should it get passed and signed into law, the consequences of that.

And just as it took a long, long time, after ObamaCare was passed, to find out what was in it, so shall this mess take a long time.

You and others of your ilk, do NOT understand how Fed Taxes work, imagine that one state's populace's Fed Taxes/deductions are relevant to what others pay/deduct are wrong.

OTOH...what one state's populace pays into the Fed Gov DOES get sent off to other states, whose populace doesn't pay even as much as they get back from the Fed Gov!

One person's deductions has NO bearing on what YOU pay!

And it's criminal that EVERYONE doesn't have to pay something; let alone get undeserving money back! That's what YOU should be complaining about!

Also, it's simple math and common sense, that when SOME people ( and there'll be a LOT of them ! ), get more disposable money taken away from them, they'll have less to spend and less to invest. So no, the economy AND markets fall!

Also...re the "happy talk" about how people will "earn more" because of this Tax INCREASE, is not only a lie, but leaves out the hard, cold fact, that earning even a little bit ( if they shall, which is a GIGANTIC IF ), which will put people into higher brackets, so they'll PAY MORE TAXES, with LESS deductions!

151 posted on 11/20/2017 9:43:12 PM PST by nopardons
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To: SkyPilot

Doesn’t define if the taxes are income, property or sales.

I use the IRS table for General Sales Tax to take a small deduction on my 1040.

My local property taxes aren’t enough to allow me to itemize.

Do those State rankings include the filers who use only the General Sales Tax deduction? If they do, then they are BOGUS!


152 posted on 11/20/2017 9:45:32 PM PST by octex
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To: nopardons

and once again, you have proven my point by posting defamatory LIES and NONSENSE!


153 posted on 11/20/2017 9:51:35 PM PST by Brown Deer (America First!)
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To: Brown Deer

Do you just demand to have the last word, or are you really this stupid, immature, and bereft of the ability to read without ANY comprehension?


154 posted on 11/20/2017 9:58:26 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

You are a disgusting piece of ignorant COMMUNIST trash!


155 posted on 11/20/2017 10:43:37 PM PST by Brown Deer (America First!)
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To: Jarhead9297

...more in this thread would have the feds further dictate a theft of my money by punishing states through the elimination of state deductions.
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The States are not being dictated to regarding their taxation policies and are not being punished; the States still get their imposed taxes.

The proposed Federal tax policies only eliminate a deduction of those taxes from Federal taxes; thus, not continuing the practice of high SALT States being subsidized by the other States’ tax payers.

Folks in high SALT States should be working toward getting their States to lower their taxes, instead of complaining that the majority of States will no longer foot the bill.


156 posted on 11/20/2017 10:56:57 PM PST by octex
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To: Brown Deer

Your projection complex is in the terminal stage.


157 posted on 11/20/2017 11:08:15 PM PST by nopardons
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To: octex
Nobody, not one single person, from another state, is "subsidizing" those in another state's who takes those deduction!

Why is this so difficult for you and others here to grasp/understand?

Those in states, who send the most to the Fed Gov, ARE subsidizing other states, who get back far more TAX money, than they send in.

Yeah, yeah... ever try to get a state lower taxes? LOL

How about getting the Fed Gov/Congress to stop spending so much money on things like idiotic studies like shrimp walking on a miniature tread mill, cut the size of Government, cut duplicate or triplicate departments, etc.?

158 posted on 11/20/2017 11:15:40 PM PST by nopardons
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To: octex

The problem isn’t with state taxes. The problem is with federal taxes which are far greater than state. Any federal government having to provide a state deduction in order to provide federal money back to the tax payer is a government that is far too large at the federal level.

I don’t see this deduction as states footing the bill as you call it. How is a theft of my money at the federal level then washed back to the individual through a deduction dependent upon the state you live in considered footing the bill? Considering the individuals who occupy these states also pay more at the federal level than do a large majority of the lower SALT states?
How about the federal government learn to operate with a far less tax burden instead of blaming states that set their own tax rates? I’d much rather have the burden of high taxes at the state level where it can far more easily be controlled by the population that elects its state government than at the federal level where again is where the spending and tax problem predominantly lies


159 posted on 11/20/2017 11:28:35 PM PST by Jarhead9297
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To: kjam22
the question can be this..... Would a person rather have a tax cut, or pay a little more..... Or have the market go up another 25%.

What makes you think increasing taxes is going to make the market go up another 25%?

Precisely the opposite!

The answer is to cut taxes at all levels, but especially at the top bracket, where high taxes inhibit investment and risk taking.

160 posted on 11/20/2017 11:59:26 PM PST by cynwoody
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