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How Trophy Hunting Can Save Lions
perc.org ^ | 7 August, 2015 | Terry Anderson, Shown Regan

Posted on 11/20/2017 3:59:15 AM PST by marktwain

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To: marktwain

Trophy Hunting is the only thing that can save these animals... the belief in bans will save them is naive and stupid...


41 posted on 11/20/2017 7:23:42 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: katiedidit1

Hate to break this to you, but stop being ruled by emotion and go research what has happened with these big game populations over in africa and which states over there, especailly in the states that allow legalized hunting vs those that have banned it....

You will soon learn those that have continued to allow legalized hunting are the only states where the populations are not in massive decline.

Banning doesnt work.. Africa is not the US... There is no ability at any national or even regional level to stop poaching, nor is there funding to pay for it.. the ONLY way you can impact it, is by making the animals valuable to the land or animal owner, and the only way you do that is by legalized hunting....

The fees fund anti poaching enforcement and make the animals valuable to their owners/land holders, so they themselves protect them as well....

This bleeding heart stupidity is why Rhinos are virtually extinct in most of Africa today, because of the idiotic BAN on their hunting in most nations, made their value NOTHING except to those willing to kill them for no reason but to sell their horn.

Stop being an emotional basket case and get informed.


42 posted on 11/20/2017 7:28:15 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: carton253

Killing for food is pretty thrilling. Hunting deer, elk, moose, hog, is not boring. You must not hunt.


43 posted on 11/20/2017 7:37:53 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: central_va

If the wolf population was at pre-columbian levels, people would not be everywhere.

That is one of the problems with keeping apex predators. They need enormous amounts of habitat. They are very expensive luxuries.


44 posted on 11/20/2017 8:01:38 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: erlayman

It simply isn’t a long term solution. When part of the population is removed, especially males, new animals migrate in, or the remaining numbers rebound due to food abundance.


That is what makes game animals a renewable resource.


45 posted on 11/20/2017 8:06:54 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: katiedidit1

Reality is a horror show without the trophy hunters.

Trophy hunters kill game in a much more humane fashion than all the other options available.

You are not considering reality. What do you think happens to those elephants without trophy hunting?


46 posted on 11/20/2017 8:09:51 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain

Like I said we are hypocrites in this regard.


47 posted on 11/20/2017 8:22:57 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: marktwain

One is killed every fifteen minutes. That is reality and the manner it is done is reality. Trump knows this know


48 posted on 11/20/2017 8:34:41 AM PST by katiedidit1
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To: HamiltonJay

No one is banning hunting. Trump is banning the importation of elephant trophies into the USA. Learn to understand facts and not imply this is a total ban on all hunting in Africa


49 posted on 11/20/2017 8:37:03 AM PST by katiedidit1
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To: katiedidit1

Where are you getting your “facts”?


50 posted on 11/20/2017 9:59:44 AM PST by digger48
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To: katiedidit1

One is killed every fifteen minutes. That is reality and the manner it is done is reality. Trump knows this know


?? I do not see any point being made in your post. Please explain further.

All elephants die. Those killed trophy hunting tend to suffer the least.


51 posted on 11/20/2017 10:10:22 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: carton253

But at least you admit you don’t understand!

Most of them are concrete conservationists, and just know that they don’t like it, so nobody else should be allowed to do it.

It is hunting, not killing, two different things. Think of it this way, when you watch animals in their natural surroundings, you are a watcher. When I hunt I’m part of nature, I’ve done fly in camps 100 miles north of the Arctic circle where they just dump your gear out, fly off and leave you for a week or 10 days, horseback trips into the wilderness in Idaho, etc. It isn’t about killing!!!


52 posted on 11/20/2017 10:32:14 AM PST by nobamanomore
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To: Rashputin

So, you’re an expert on Africa? Ever been there?

The PH polices his area himself, and trust me on that, they will hammer poachers, they are to a fault in love with the animals they hunt.

Of course, the politicians skim some, they do here as well. See: Clinton Foundation

Every pol has a “non profit” associated with them for tax free income potential.


53 posted on 11/20/2017 10:35:54 AM PST by nobamanomore
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To: Rashputin

if you’ve ever been to the hunting areas of Africa, it is so vast, the only way it gets patrolled is by the professional hunters. They are the ones that control the poachers.

Look up a show called “Ivan Carters WAR”

He is a premier elephant PH and has his own anti poaching unit.

Look at this as well, my friends at Charlton McCollum Safaris http://www.dapuzim.com/, this is their anti poaching report.


54 posted on 11/20/2017 10:41:01 AM PST by nobamanomore
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To: katiedidit1

So, then the quotas get used by Europeans!!!!

No elephants are protected by it at all!!!

But the Libs FEEL GOOD ABOUT THEMSELVES


55 posted on 11/20/2017 10:42:56 AM PST by nobamanomore
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You may have starved. I'm resourcful.😀
56 posted on 11/20/2017 10:43:27 AM PST by carton253 (Jesus is everything.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
You may have starved. I'm resourcful.😀
57 posted on 11/20/2017 10:43:50 AM PST by carton253 (Jesus is everything.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I hunt for good prices on the meat mark down bin at the local Kroger. Let me repeat...hunting for food, I don’t have a problem. Killing an animal so you can brag to your friends that you did. I don’t get.


58 posted on 11/20/2017 10:48:23 AM PST by carton253 (Jesus is everything.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I hunt for good prices on the meat mark down bin at the local Kroger. Let me repeat...hunting for food, I don’t have a problem. Killing an animal so you can brag to your friends that you did. I don’t get.


59 posted on 11/20/2017 10:52:32 AM PST by carton253 (Jesus is everything.)
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To: carton253

LOL. When I go to Kroger my first stop is the meat clearance. I evaluate quality vs. markdown price. Make a friend with the meat dpt manager. When you see a good deal look at the label. I forget the alpa character (think it is L) there is a 2 letter code. A 3 at the end means they will not go any lower. Take it to him/her and ask for price 3. My meat dpt manager always gives me 3 and his shrinkage/loss is a lot lower for it.

As far as hunters go, it is evolution. Some people get a rush out of killing. If it wasn’t for them we would not be the well fed large brained dominant species on the planet. Many other species kill each other indiscriminately. We don’t (usually.)

It is genetic. Some people are hunters, some are not. I am not a hunter.

This kid on the other hand is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1rQpqIbBsU


60 posted on 11/20/2017 11:42:24 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools. Go Trump!)
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