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To: arrogantsob

Callendar formerly did scandal work for Jefferson, and was denied a postal position, and was furious about it, turning vicious revenge seeker. You know where you can go to show you how wrong you are- and it is all in hard print- true scholarly work. Your other two statements prove nothing- Hemings was “said to be” a half-sister (rather thin, that and based on the rumor that John Wayles following the death of his third wife took the mulatto slave Betty Hemings as a concubine for the rest of his life. Rumor. According to this same rumor, never documented as true, in 12 years they had six children, youngest of whom was Sally Hemings).

Stating whom Jefferson allowed to stay or not stay also proves nothing. Science however, raises many definitive fact based questions vs. these “absolutes”.

From the human history side—In 1868 a letter from Jefferson biographer Henry Randall to historian James Parton, states that Jefferson’s grandson Thomas Jefferson Randolph, recorded that Jefferson’s surviving daughter Martha (Martha Jefferson Randolph-who was devoted to him) on her deathbed stated that Jefferson had been away from Monticello for 15 months before one of Hemings’ children was born and thus could not possibly be the father.

Peter Carr, Jefferson’s nephew by his sister, and/or Peter’s brother (both of whom were married men at the time and well-known for impregnating slave females in the area), had fathered Hemings’ children- furthermore, Peter Carr’s role was sworn to by Randolph. And the pesky Y chromosome issue comes up here and elsewhere.

Simply utilizing Jefferson’s Farm Book as a guide or definitive chronology is foolish, as is trying to claim without question that Jefferson fathered any one child or all, based on where he was deduced therefrom to have been at the so-called “time” of conception in regressional 9 month timelines (lots of holes there). Rather sketchy work being given an absolute stamp by ad nauseum repetition.

The DNA study that needs to be done regarding the local population present around Monticello two hundred years ago, in regards to the potential Y chromosome markers shared with Thomas by several others— has not been done to date. One might wonder why- except for the potential it would destroy the narrative- and there is a lot of money in iconoclastic pursuits (publishing and such). Scientifically done— this would definitively rule out any possibility of the paternity being attributed to of any of the other 7 potential paternity candidates who were present in the area at the time (able to have “done the deed” as it were, and maybe more than one of them is possible). This is stated in the opinions of the Jefferson Foundation scientists: The Y chromosome data do not prove that Thomas Jefferson himself was THE ancestor of Heming descendant #21. It comes down to who was Eston Heming’s father? Jefferson lineage connectees #5,12,6,13 and 14 were alive and old enough to have fathered Eston and they all have Y chromosomes identical by descent with Thomas Jefferson’s. Finally, how many other male-line relatives of Thomas Jefferson were known to be alive at that time?

Forensic clinical/criminology scientists, who are colleagues, agree and will tell you, the absence of the DNA Y study speaks volumes about the motivation of the story tellers, and that of their publishers monetary gain from publishing “questions”. Falls right into comparison with the current stories of “she said it so it must be true” crapola. And the stories have a great deal of destructive intent in their “spinning” from contemporary people with political agendas. But doesn’t it make a wonderful hook to gaff a brilliant Founding Father with behaviour he would never, by his own code, engage in? His other kin with identical Y chromosomes, not so much.
Thank you for considering. Clearly I don’t agree with your assertions, since they are only assertions.


290 posted on 11/11/2017 3:40:16 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: John S Mosby

There is also the fact that the children resembled TJ including the reddish hair.

I have no ox to be gored here but the evidence I have seen strongly indicates that the children were Jefferson’s and this has been around for centuries, it didn’t just pop up.


293 posted on 11/11/2017 9:33:47 PM PST by arrogantsob (Check out "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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