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To: DesertRhino

So you don’t even want law enforcement to be able to check on one phone if there has been a warrant to search that person?

I don’t want all phones to have a key to unencrypt. But for the manufacturer to hand over an opened phone under warrant doesn’t mean that the law abiding phone owners don’t have encrypted phones.


104 posted on 11/07/2017 3:46:26 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

I don’t want all phones to have a key to unencrypt. But for the manufacturer to hand over an opened phone under warrant doesn’t mean that the law abiding phone owners don’t have encrypted phones.


With encryption. Real encryption, not fake encryption. There is no manufacturer’s master key.


113 posted on 11/07/2017 4:55:35 PM PST by Flick Lives (The FBI is a taxpayer funded Mafia organization)
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To: Yaelle

“So you don’t even want law enforcement to be able to check on one phone if there has been a warrant to search that person?”

No i don’t. If they can do one, then none are secure and their encryption is a farce. Also, it isn’t the job of the manufacturer to serve the warrant. Say the cops have a warrant to search the safe in your house. They can bring saws, blowtorches, Five fingers Vinnie the safecracker, etc.
But what they may NOT do is call Liberty Safes and force them to come down and open it for them.

I am FAR more worried about a government that thinks every bit and byte of data should be within it’s reach than i am about the cops not being able to look into a phone.

Clues about other conspirators etc you say? I say BS, the entire history of terrorism and mass shootings is a cornucopia of clues that they refuse to act on. But they want -more- that they still wont act on.

Also, when the FBI wanted to break the San Bernadino phone, apple offered to try in a manner close to what you suggested. But the FBI insisted that apple build them a tool, and turn it over to the Feds.

This isn’t about one phone.

Last, in light of the utter abuse of every federal agency we have since 9/11 how can you dare suggest this? The IRS, DHS, CIA, NSA, FCC, EPA, DEA, ATF, DOD, BLM, ICE and FBI have all been used to make life miserable for political opponents. Not criminals....political opponents.
They have lost the right to ask for more investigative tools until people like Clapper and Comey are in prison.


119 posted on 11/07/2017 5:11:03 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ...)
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To: Yaelle
...I don’t want all phones to have a key to unencrypt. But for the manufacturer to hand over an opened phone under warrant doesn’t mean that the law abiding phone owners don’t have encrypted phones...

If anyone, even the manufacturer, has employees who know how to unencrypt the phone, sufficient money will break that information loose.

What happens when the Chinese offer $10 Billion for that information?

Apple is very smart to make it unbreakable by Apple. Keeps them out of all sorts of court battles.

And, a law that US sold phones have to have keys given to the government just means that the real bad guys will buy foreign phones and the technological lead will transfer from the US to somewhere else. Do you really want that?

170 posted on 11/07/2017 10:10:28 PM PST by CurlyDave
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